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Originally Posted by Maccabee 2A
How is it a strawman? They are both consenting adults, right? Wasn't the premise about allowing same sex marriage was as long as its consentual? So if that's the case than brother and sister can marry.
It is a strawman, because you think anything other than traditional marriage is wrong, and are using these stupid analaogies to make gay marriage seem stupid/wrong
It is a strawman, because you think anything other than traditional marriage is wrong, and are using these stupid analaogies to make gay marriage seem stupid/wrong
Just 20 years ago, I could make this statement and there would hardly be a cringe among a crowd.
Today, it is seen as taboo; as if a damning slander suddenly leaped out of the dark ages. Heck, someone might close this very thread.
Why is this? How is it that a societal opinion can change so quickly, and so fiercely?
I don't agree with you, but I defend your right to say it without being shouted down or harassed (and I am gay).
We are so caught up in identity politics and specific "rights" in this country, we have completely lost sight of basic things like freedom of speech--which, by definition, always involves maintaining freedom of speech that is unpopular.
I feel like we have won a battle but are losing the war on true freedom, with constant surveillance being accepted, etc.
Just 20 years ago, I could make this statement and there would hardly be a cringe among a crowd.
Today, it is seen as taboo; as if a damning slander suddenly leaped out of the dark ages. Heck, someone might close this very thread.
Why is this? How is it that a societal opinion can change so quickly, and so fiercely?
It is a social issue and not a political issue.
I am a staunch conservative, but not feel I have the right to tell others how to live. I care about economic policies which support the US middle class and manufacturing sector.
I really do not give a crap about social issues and think that every American should enjoy the same rights as every other American.
Just 20 years ago, I could make this statement and there would hardly be a cringe among a crowd.
Today, it is seen as taboo; as if a damning slander suddenly leaped out of the dark ages. Heck, someone might close this very thread.
Why is this? How is it that a societal opinion can change so quickly, and so fiercely?
Societal opinion did not change so quickly. That's why gay marriage lost repeatedly at the ballot box in every state, including states like California. The fact that people think opinion changed is a demonstration of the propaganda that was required.
First, gay marriage was incrementally allowed by liberals repeatedly breaking the law and then other liberals in those states refusing to do anything to the law-breakers. So, you would read where people like Gavin Newsome would just decide on a random weekend to marry anyone who wanted to get married. He'd get shut down, but it didn't matter because he'd just do it again and again. BTW, for breaking the law repeatedly, he was rewarded with a promotion by the Democrat Party.
Then, gay marriage was just mandated into law by judges, which is unconstitutional. So they just said "yeah, regardless of what the people decided, we just made it legal." That's the liberal form of "representation." They just claimed they were representing everyone, despite it being in direct contradiction to votes.
Meanwhile, the media and news did their part by simply putting out the message that "everyone" agreed with gay marriage. That was intended to make people believe that it was already a done deal. If you don't agree with gay marriage, it didn't matter because everyone else did. In fact, most people are not even aware of how many times gay marriage failed at the ballot box and think that gay marriage was actually passed by a referendum, which is 100% backwards. That's how much of a lie gay marriage is.
Gay marriage is an excellent example of a) how much the left will lie to get what they want, b) how much the left needs to lie to get what they want, and c) how they can only get what they want by government mandate, which is why they love a large, powerful, centralized government with power over everyone.
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