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Old 11-20-2016, 08:53 AM
 
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It is just like Chuckie, "never get in his way when there is a camera around" to adopt a loosing platform.

Bernie FAILED to beat Hillary with this platform , so why does he think it will do any better?
Bernie "failed" because the DNC stacked the deck against him.
If they didn't outright rig things, the messaging was loud and clear.
It's Hillarys turn, Bernie get out of the way.
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Old 11-20-2016, 08:54 AM
 
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Be honest, tell us how many black people would vote Trump over Sanders because they hate the political platform of higher minimum wage, banning for-profit prisons, getting big money out of politics, a national health care system and two weeks paid vacation to all workers by law. Instead of the Trump agenda of gutting the social safety net to fund tax breaks for the donor class and eliminating all restrictions on legalized bribery in politics by nominating Scalia clones to the Supreme Court. By honest, how many black people would jump at the chance of supporting the Trump agenda over a mainstream New Deal democrat?
Bernie would have steamrolled Trump. He would have won the entire Upper Midwest and PA. Funny how this is where Bernie had his strongest showing not the agrarian South.

Bernie's message was entirely economic, while Trump claims to be about the economy, vast majority of his rhetoric was based on cultural, not economic, populism. Cultural populism does NOTHING. It's all platitudes. It's an excuse to vote for you while you continue to get gutted behind the scenes. If Trump succeeds in nominating all these people, few is going to change. We're going to have a casino economy again like under Bush II.
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Old 11-20-2016, 08:57 AM
 
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Socialism: * a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

Example of socialism in real life:

Trump

Trump’s NATO Spending Demand Would Break Denmark’s Welfare State

According to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, Denmark last met the NATO spending target in the final years of the Cold War, when Soviet forces were stationed across the Baltic Sea. Since then, the ratio of Danish spending has dropped consistently and totaled 23.2 billion kroner ($3.31 billion), or 1.2 percent of GDP, in 2015.

Welfare Trumps Defense

Helge Pedersen, a Copenhagen-based chief economist at Nordea Bank AB, estimates that meeting the 2 percent mark [required to be a member of NATO] would require about 15 billion kroner in extra defense spending.

That’s how much Denmark spends each year on supporting its universities, or five years of child support for its families.



American taxpayers are paying for Denmark's universities and child support for Denmark families instead of American universities and child support for American families. Enough.

But, GO, Bernie!!
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Old 11-20-2016, 09:08 AM
 
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Socialism: * a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

Example of socialism in real life:

Trump

Trump’s NATO Spending Demand Would Break Denmark’s Welfare State

According to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, Denmark last met the NATO spending target in the final years of the Cold War, when Soviet forces were stationed across the Baltic Sea. Since then, the ratio of Danish spending has dropped consistently and totaled 23.2 billion kroner ($3.31 billion), or 1.2 percent of GDP, in 2015.

Welfare Trumps Defense

Helge Pedersen, a Copenhagen-based chief economist at Nordea Bank AB, estimates that meeting the 2 percent mark [required to be a member of NATO] would require about 15 billion kroner in extra defense spending.

That’s how much Denmark spends each year on supporting its universities, or five years of child support for its families.



American taxpayers are paying for Denmark's universities and child support for Denmark families instead of American universities and child support for American families. Enough.

But, GO, Bernie!!
This election also discredited Marx in his theory that the working classes would rise up against the capitalists. Well that clearly didn't happen. Socialism is discredited, along with communism. Socialism democracy works. And, they are not the same. Dress it up appropriately and the American people except the most rabid reactionaries would accept it. They did many decades ago.
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Old 11-20-2016, 09:11 AM
 
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Socialism: * a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

Example of socialism in real life:

Trump

Trump’s NATO Spending Demand Would Break Denmark’s Welfare State

According to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, Denmark last met the NATO spending target in the final years of the Cold War, when Soviet forces were stationed across the Baltic Sea. Since then, the ratio of Danish spending has dropped consistently and totaled 23.2 billion kroner ($3.31 billion), or 1.2 percent of GDP, in 2015.

Welfare Trumps Defense

Helge Pedersen, a Copenhagen-based chief economist at Nordea Bank AB, estimates that meeting the 2 percent mark [required to be a member of NATO] would require about 15 billion kroner in extra defense spending.

That’s how much Denmark spends each year on supporting its universities, or five years of child support for its families.



American taxpayers are paying for Denmark's universities and child support for Denmark families instead of American universities and child support for American families. Enough.

But, GO, Bernie!!
You have seen nothing yet. Trump is promising to provide huge gifts to the military industrial complex at the expense of ordinary folks. Investing in the quality of life of the American people is anathema to the GOP and immediately labeled as free stuff we cant afford. Gifts to the donor class, bailouts, wars, corporate welfare, huge tax breaks for the billionaires and no-bid government contracts on the other hand is free stuff which there is always plenty of money for. And a substantial part of the population swallow this rhetoric lock,stock and barrel.

Public spending as a share of GDP is 50% in Denmark... An increase in military spending in Denmark by 0.8% of GDP will "break the welfare state" somehow...I think most sane people understand how silly that is.
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Old 11-20-2016, 09:18 AM
 
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You have seen nothing yet. Trump is promising to provide huge gifts to the military industrial complex at the expense of ordinary folks. Investing in the quality of life of the American people is anathema to the GOP and immediately labeled as free stuff we cant afford. Gifts to the donor class, bailouts, wars, corporate welfare, huge tax breaks for the billionaires and no-bid government contracts on the other hand is something there is always plenty of money for. And half the population swallow this rhetoric lock,stock and barrel.

Public spending as a share of GDP is 50% in Denmark... An increase in military spending in Denmark by 0.8% of GDP will "break the welfare state" somehow...I think most sane people understand how silly that is.
I agree. Denmark's taxpayers should have no problem complying with, and contributing their tax dollars toward, the 2% GDP requirement to be a member of NATO as Trump has requested, as well as the other countries' citizens in NATO.

It is exceedingly easy for foreign governments to be generous to their citizens with American taxpayer's hard earned money!

Go, Bernie!
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Old 11-20-2016, 09:22 AM
 
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Nah, NATO's future is diminishing.
If the US cuts funding, nobody really is going to complain.
Why?
Because it's not Denmark that want US sabre rattling on Russia's borders.
No, that's a component of US geopolitical strategy, not Denmark's.

US is just using NATO as her vehicle to do that.
Hence the US is well, paying the sticker price for it.

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Old 11-20-2016, 09:24 AM
 
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I agree. Denmark's taxpayers should have no problem complying with contributing the 2% GDP requirement to be a member of NATO as Trump has requested, as well as the other countries' citizens in NATO who have been depending on American taxpayers to support their welfare benefits.

It is exceedingly easy to be generous with other people's money!

Go, Bernie!
You are exaggerating the difference. France and the UK already spend more than 2% of GDP on the military and they have much, much stronger social safety net than America.

What you should be worried about is that tuition free public colleges in America cost only 0.4% of GDP, 75 billion, while the Iraq war cost 3 trillion or 50 years' worth of tuition free public college. That is the stuff of nightmares which is the result of the big money donor class controlling the political system for their own benefit, and not for the benefit of the American people.
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Old 11-20-2016, 10:12 AM
 
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I think Trump would have won bigger vs Bernie. Yeah the dumb college kids would have voted for him, but anyone with a brain and owns any property thats a dem would have voted for Trump instead. Its not like Trump is that conservative.
This is basically what appears to be happening in the UK. Because of their political correctness dogma, they basically have to turn left. The working class that was once the core of the "Labour" party does not believe any of that helps the with their real world concerns and have left the party. The Democrats appear to be backing themelves into a "Politically correct" corner of their own making.
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Old 11-20-2016, 10:23 AM
 
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This is basically what appears to be happening in the UK. Because of their political correctness dogma, they basically have to turn left. The working class that was once the core of the "Labour" party does not believe any of that helps the with their real world concerns and have left the party. The Democrats appear to be backing themelves into a "Politically correct" corner of their own making.
Turning away from Wall Street is turning towards the mainstream, not "turning left".

Yes, I am sure the working class in the UK love the idea of an American health care system. Have you done a poll? How many would prefer to die of cancer among the working class because they cant afford treatment?

You seem to be totally oblivious that there is anything else than "political correctness" that matter to people. Healthcare doesnt matter, education doesnt matter, child care doesnt matter, paid family leave doesnt matter, money in politics doesnt matter, its all about voting for someone who is politically incorrect and if that means privatizing everything at the will of the donor class, then so be it.
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