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Old 11-20-2016, 03:28 PM
 
Location: Iceland
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I use to be libertarian leaning but as time has gone by I now consider myself more of a moderate. I still despise liberalism and leftism but I just can't agree with libertarian views anymore.

The basic premise of libertarianism is that as long as people have to face the consequences of their actions, they will use their freedom in a way that is responsible, and that only when government artificially shields people from said consequences do they do stupid things. Well, about a year ago I got into the fitness lifestyle which has literally changed my life, and one of the biggest things that has stunned me during that time is that it has opened my eyes to just how stupid people can be.

I already sort of knew that most people are fat even before this, but I did not spend too much time thinking about it. But as the year has gone by I have been amazed by just how weak and ignorant most people are in regards to food and diet. Nobody cares if what they are putting into their body will make them fat and ill, they just eat it anyway.

The traditional response from a libertarian will be that it's their freedom to make that choice.

Yes, but here's the thing: Nobody actually knows what they are doing, and when they do they are too weak to act/care. You will almost NEVER find a fat person that actually likes being fat. The reason people are so fat is because they are too stupid to bother learning about what they are eating or are simply too greedy to learn portion control. FAT PEOPLE ARE NOT INFORMED CONSUMERS. They are basically just morons who don't care. They aren't fat because they made that choice, they are fat BECAUSE THEY ARE STUPID.

Fat people are literally the perfect example of the failure of libertarian ideology. Being fat comes with clear negative effects and thus on paper should give people a good enough of a incentive to care about what they eat in a free market economy where people are free to choose what they eat. And yet, nothing could be further from the truth. Most people don't give a ****. If something tastes good, they just eat it without any regard to what the consequences might be.

Does this mean I want to live in some uber-liberal nanny state? No, but I still think libertarians would do well to ask themselves, if people are so able to take responsibility then why is everyone so fat?
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Old 11-20-2016, 03:30 PM
 
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What business is it of yours? You were never a libertarian liar.
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Old 11-20-2016, 03:32 PM
 
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libertarianism is not a diet plan or a panacea for whatever else ails you. It just means you don't initiate force against others and respect private property rights.
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Old 11-20-2016, 03:37 PM
 
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libertarianism is not a diet plan or a panacea for whatever else ails you. It just means you don't initiate force against others and respect private property rights.
It also means that the big majority of the population will have the great freedom to choose between food or medicine as a tiny super rich elite will rule the economy indefinitely using their monopolistic powers and total control of media to ensure it stays that way.

The OP talks about stupidity but working stiffs supporting libertarianism is really the peak of stupidity.
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Old 11-20-2016, 03:38 PM
 
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Literally nothing you said would indicated that libertarianism does not work. As a non-libertarian, that's hardly me saying it would. It is however me saying that this argument demonstrate a clear lack of understanding of what libertarianism is.
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Old 11-20-2016, 03:40 PM
 
Location: Houston
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It also means that the big majority of the population will have the great freedom to choose between food or medicine as a tiny super rich elite will rule the economy indefinitely using their monopolistic powers and total control of media to ensure it stays that way.

The OP talks about stupidity but working stiffs supporting libertarianism is really the peak of stupidity.
The natural monopolies have all but disappeared. It is the unnatural monopolies of government that are in the hands of the elite and always will be.
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Old 11-20-2016, 03:40 PM
 
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It also means that the big majority of the population will have the great freedom to choose between food or medicine as a tiny super rich elite will rule the economy indefinitely using their monopolistic powers and total control of media to ensure it stays that way.

The OP talks about stupidity but working stiffs supporting libertarianism is really the peak of stupidity.
Hahaha you just described the results of the D vs. R system we have today
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Old 11-20-2016, 03:41 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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libertarianism is not a diet plan or a panacea for whatever else ails you. It just means you don't initiate force against others and respect private property rights.
Thread over.

How many times do we have to go over this?

1. NAP
2. Private property rights

End. Fin.
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Old 11-20-2016, 03:43 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Hahaha you just described the results of the D vs. R system we have today
But but but we get to vote!
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Old 11-20-2016, 03:43 PM
 
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I agree. Libertarianism would just result in everyone stepping on each other's toes. And private individual property owners and wealthy or Islam would step in and become the de facto government.

I want closed borders and protectionism and then we can talk about libertarianism.
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