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In our recent history the Republican party has gain control of the country through means that are fair and foul. The Democratic party has squandered every opportunity given to them by the public. Neither party represents the average man. They do not seek to represent middle class Americans. Two party systems represent the wealthy and the lobbyists . Yes, the third and maybe a fourth party will suffer the same fate, however it will decentralize the power elite in America. Those gloating over the election of Trump are in for a surprise . How can a life long well heeled person understand the wants and needs of the average person ? Research the economy under the Bushes compared to Clinton and Obama. The one thing this election proved is that the American voters do not research their candidates before voting .
What we do have in reality is political theater, for reasons that go deep into human psychology, individual and collective.
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Neither party represents the average man. They do not seek to represent middle class Americans. Two party systems represent the wealthy and the lobbyists . Yes, the third and maybe a fourth party will suffer the same fate,
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however it will decentralize the power elite in America.
We already have an instrument for that and it is called the Constitution (which makes no mention of political parties), its checks and balances, the federal system, the electoral college system, and after some 230 years it still gets the job done as well as can be expected among humans.
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Those gloating over the election of Trump are in for a surprise.
Maybe some, but I would venture to say that most independents who voted for him already know what the score is.
In fact, whatever happens next, Trump has already accomplished his mission in full: in a single sustained economically efficient campaign, trump the establishment party's two dynasty candidates in one fell swoop.
If he actually implements one or two of all the things he said, like scuttling Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), that will be a bonus.
In our recent history the Republican party has gain control of the country through means that are fair and foul. The Democratic party has squandered every opportunity given to them by the public. Neither party represents the average man. They do not seek to represent middle class Americans. Two party systems represent the wealthy and the lobbyists . Yes, the third and maybe a fourth party will suffer the same fate, however it will decentralize the power elite in America. Those gloating over the election of Trump are in for a surprise . How can a life long well heeled person understand the wants and needs of the average person ? Research the economy under the Bushes compared to Clinton and Obama. The one thing this election proved is that the American voters do not research their candidates before voting .
you excoriate the republicans for winning, using less than desirable means, and yet dismiss the fact that the democrats have done even worse things than the republicans have to try and win elections.
as for creating a viable third party, it is possible, but everyone is going about it the wrong way. right now third parties have very little public support. yes there are green party candidates, and libertarians, communists, independents, etc. the problem is that they dont want to build a grassroots coalition across the states at the local level. instead they want to hit the mainstream right away by winning the presidency, and it wont work that way.
you need to build starting at the local level, and expand from there.
so can it be done? yes it can, in the 1850s the republican party was the third party. they replaced the whig party.
the other problem though is the mainstream media, and the fact they are in the pockets of the democrat party. and as such, they are going to run down anyone that competes with the democrats in any manner they can.
A better idea is to split this country up, fashion it after the break up of the Soviet Union!
why do people want to split the country up? all it does is destroy the country that was built over 240 years. it would make us worse than europe. and if you want to see what real war is like, then go ahead and split up the country. you can bet that the ensuing civil war will be truly divisive, and bloody.
why do people want to split the country up? all it does is destroy the country that was built over 240 years. it would make us worse than europe. and if you want to see what real war is like, then go ahead and split up the country. you can bet that the ensuing civil war will be truly divisive, and bloody.
Every decent man should want to split the country up. But every sane man should realize that it is impossible, and ultimately destructive.
This country is fake, it shouldn't exist. We stole this continent through war and genocide. We are only still a country today, because Lincoln murdered hundreds of thousands of Americans to prevent the states from seceding, let-alone the hundreds of thousands of Natives that Lincoln's Army would later murder after the Civil-War was over, to make way for westward expansion(IE Manifest-Destiny).
We broke every treaty and promise we ever made. For that matter, why do you think Hawaii is a state? Because the Hawaiians loved us so much?
There is absolutely nothing to be proud of. Nothing.
The only thing I will say in defense of this country, is this. America is the superpower which ultimately controls the politics and actions of the entire world. If America was to collapse, not only would it likely lead to war here, but it would collapse the entire "World Order".
Europe is already teetering on the edge of collapse, it wouldn't take much to push them over. And then who comes in to fill the vacuum of power? China? Russia?
As much as I hate America, I do not believe that it is ever going to get any better than it is now. So you might as well stop thinking about it.
In our recent history the Republican party has gain control of the country through means that are fair and foul. The Democratic party has squandered every opportunity given to them by the public. Neither party represents the average man. They do not seek to represent middle class Americans. Two party systems represent the wealthy and the lobbyists . Yes, the third and maybe a fourth party will suffer the same fate, however it will decentralize the power elite in America. Those gloating over the election of Trump are in for a surprise . How can a life long well heeled person understand the wants and needs of the average person ? Research the economy under the Bushes compared to Clinton and Obama. The one thing this election proved is that the American voters do not research their candidates before voting .
Research the economy under Clinton? Okay.
-Bill pushed for China to enter the WTO.
-Bill pushed for a new permanent most favored nation trade deal with China.
-Bill pushed for NAFTA.
-Outsourcing started to skyrocket.
-The Trade deficit started to skyrocket.
-Bill left with the dot-com stock bubble implosion happening.
-Bill asked for and got (from a GOP congress) the repeal of FDR's Glass-Stegall.
-Bill Clinton encouraged lenders to give out home loans to those who likely could not pay it back for PC purposes and the housing bubble started on his watch.
Bill Clinton was bad for the economy. I think certain posters need to research cause and effect.
As to the OP. You aren't coming up with any new ideas. The way you are feeling right now, is the same way that the majority of the population feels every election. None of this is new.
Trust me, people have tried to run third-parties, and not only did they fail, but they just guaranteed that their greatest foe would win(the spoiler-effect).
I don't like it any more than anyone else, but that is just reality. Accept it.
Outcomes are the byproduct of systems. The only way to change the outcome, is to change the system.
So change the system, don't just complain about it. Otherwise you're wasting our time.
How are you going to change the system? Amend the Constitution? It'll never happen.
What else do you have? The same as everyone else before you? Nothing?
It would take a revolution. What are you doing to make it happen? Nothing? Then we're done here.
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