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Old 11-21-2016, 05:14 PM
 
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Conservatives love "socialism."

Conservatives love welfare.

Conservatives love taxes.

Just as long as the money goes to large businesses and the military, and not to the vulnerable members of society.
That's true.

Watch the huge tax cuts coming to the mega-wealthy....a HUGE welfare check passed to the wealthiest among us.

They don't care that that amount will go right to increasing our debt. The point is not governing or taking care of the country. The point is to take care of the cronies.

The blue collar guys have been Trumped. But they'll get a tax refund check of several hundred dollars and maybe a pittance off their taxes, to keep them quiet. The mega wealthy will get billions and billions in free money.

The worst off will be..who else?...women with children. The low income single parent may actually see her taxes increase, if Donald doesn't change his tax plan.

Oh, and there's assistance with childcare costs in the taxes, too! I'm sure he hyped that on the campaign trail. What he didn't say was that it works backwards...the richer you are, the more assistance you get! The lower income you are, the less you get! How cool is THAT! Trumped again.
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Old 11-21-2016, 05:39 PM
 
Location: USA
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No we don't. Govt should leave us all alone.

You work, you eat.
That's the way it was in the late 19th century in this country. A small group of people became fabulously wealthy as a result. Then there was a small middle class of educated professionals and managers. Everyone else was toiling 12 hours per day, 6 days a week in dangerous factories and mines where a significant number died grizzly deaths. It was a libertarian paradise.

In any libertarian society, a small group will inevitably "win" and enslave everyone else. All politicians are for sale, and therefore any libertarian society will inevitably evolve into a plutocracy/aristocracy/oligarchy.
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Old 11-21-2016, 05:41 PM
 
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Nonsense. Conservatives want to be protected by big government. Big government building wall. Big government slapping import taxes on goods to protect their jobs, big government banning online gambling and 21 year legal age for alcohol, big government executing innocent people (inevitable if you are pro-death penalty).
Big government adding massive infrastructure spending per Trump, to create temporary jobs off the backs of taxpayers. Those jobs go away as soon as the infrastructure project is finished. Trump gets to brag about the new jobs. Taxpayers get to pay for those new jobs via massive new infrastructure spending.

Big government adding new tariffs in Trump's Trade War. In return, goods and food that Americans buy will have large price increases due to the trade wars. In a nutshell, the American consumer will subsidize any new jobs created through these trade wars via paying more for goods bought in the USA. We'll be indirectly paying the salary for the new jobs.

Big government will be paying for uninsured people that lose their health insurance under Obamacare. For decades the Federal government sent money to each state to pay for unpaid hospital bills due to uninsured using the emergency room without paying their bill. Obamacare put a major dent in these unpaid hospital bills because more people had insurance. As a result of Obamacare, the feds cut payouts to states for uninsured patients.

When people lose insurance again, the unpaid hospital bills increase again and the Feds pay the states for their public hospitals so they don't go broke on uninsured patients. Florida's R governor Rick Scott refused Obamacare Medicaid expansion but begged the Feds for the free money(big government GOP asking for gov money) to cover unpaid hospital bills. Taxpayers were paying for uninsured's medical care all along. And this will continue even under Trump. Reagan (big government GOP again) is the president that created the law that requires hospitals to treat patients for emergencies regardless of ability to pay. He created the law but didn't fund it. This later forced to federal government to send money to the states to cover the bills for all the uninsured patients.

Big government convert our Medicare to a voucher program with private insurance companies making trillions of dollars in profit. Forcing retirees to purchase private insurance as a replacement to Medicare, and forcing retirees to add their own money when they purchase private insurance because the piddly voucher doesn't cover enough to buy what's needed for health insurance. Big government adding an additional layer of red tape and hurdles for retirees in order to get health insurance.

Big Government Pence forcing Hoosier women and Hoosier hospitals to bury or cremate miscarriage tissues and report the details to the state.

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Old 11-21-2016, 05:42 PM
 
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Sorry many of us Conservatives have Gay children. Mines engaged to get married.
So you say.
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Old 11-21-2016, 05:42 PM
 
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Conservatives love "socialism."

Conservatives love welfare.

Conservatives love taxes.

Just as long as the money goes to large businesses and the military, and not to the vulnerable members of society.
Wrong.

Wrong.

and Wrong.

Don't get normal conservatives confused with the government lobby types.
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Old 11-21-2016, 05:43 PM
 
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Don't feed the trolls.
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Old 11-21-2016, 05:44 PM
 
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When I was a young guy...my first love was the daughter of an arch conservative business tycoon. That was decades ago. More recently I had telephonic conversations with her older brother...a very powerful investment banker. I witnessed what was a staunch conservative having a private lunch with a liberal who would later for a time become Prime Minister.
Cool story.
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Old 11-21-2016, 05:48 PM
 
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Ah, the old liberal mantra,"People who pay no federal income taxes should get tax cuts while those who pay need to pay more."
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Old 11-21-2016, 05:59 PM
 
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Wrong.

Wrong.

and Wrong.

Don't get normal conservatives confused with the government lobby types.
So please join me in standing up for programs like Social Security, Disability, Medicare, and Medicaid. Please join me in speaking out against subsidies for fossil fuel companies, bailouts for banks, and increases in military spending.

Will you join me?
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Old 11-21-2016, 06:15 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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I'm very divided on this issue. On one hand, the government always seems to muck things up and make things WAY too complicated. On the other hand, if we didn't have governmental rules and regulations, we'd be dealing with corporations whose main goal is to make money running the show, even if it means screwing people over.
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