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Are you Canadian or American Winter? anyway, yeah Trudeau and his team stinks. He may be a charitable person (refugees, women and gays rights etc.) but he can't keep a budget and he doesn't know bleep about running a country. His father was much more fiscally responsible and intelligent than him. Clearly takes after his mother...
Threads like this add absolutely zero value to the civil discourse because the entire premise is based on a one-sided argument augmented by selective Google searches of negative news articles. I can just as easily give you an even bigger list of negative news out of the Trump presidency (plenty out there) and an equally long list of positives of what the Trudeau government has done over the past year. I could, but I won't out of sanity and respect for my Friday evening.
If you want to start a negative and vicious partisan thread do it in the U.S. forum, or better yet, do it in the comments section of Fox and Breitbart. The vast majority of Canadians have no appetite for Trump's brand of politics. Thank you but no thank you.
Are you Canadian or American Winter? anyway, yeah Trudeau and his team stinks. He may be a charitable person (refugees, women and gays rights etc.) but he can't keep a budget and he doesn't know bleep about running a country. His father was much more fiscally responsible and intelligent than him. Clearly takes after his mother...
But darn he does have good hair! Sunny ways!
And yes, bluebirdie .. while I was never a Pierre fan, I agree with you about the budget thing.
Threads like this adds zero value to the discussion because the entire premise is based on a one-sided argument augmented by selective google searches of negative news titles. If you want to start a negative and vicious partisan thread do it in the U.S. forum, or better yet, do it in the comments section of Fox and Breitbart. The vast majority of Canadians have no appetite for Trump's brand of politics. Thank you but no thank you.
We don't want Trump but that doesn't mean Trudeaus inability to properly balance the budget or conduct trade does not deserve criticism.
Threads like this add absolutely zero value to the civil discourse because the entire premise is based on a one-sided argument augmented by selective Google searches of negative news articles. I can just as easily give you an even bigger list of negative news out of the Trump presidency (plenty out there) and an equally long list of positives of what the Trudeau government has done over the past year. I could, but I won't out of sanity and respect for my Friday evening.
If you want to start a negative and vicious partisan thread do it in the U.S. forum, or better yet, do it in the comments section of Fox and Breitbart. The vast majority of Canadians have no appetite for Trump's brand of politics. Thank you but no thank you.
You and I must have been posting at the same time and while I am not sure this thread will go too far anyway, I don't think it needs to be closed. I think there was a good point to be made - perhaps it was just 'how' that point was made that you take issue with?
And you reported it just because you disagree with the OP's opinion? Please don't speak for all Canadians - let them (including me) speak for ourselves .. thanks.
The fact is there will most likely be significant changes/effects on Canada because the election went the way it did in the States. No one can know what those will be yet - but it is critical that we watch the Canadian government to see how they handle those changes - which I doubt they thought would happen either.
We don't want Trump but that doesn't mean Trudeaus inability to properly balance the budget or conduct trade does not deserve criticism.
My dear fellow, Trudeau just signed off on the Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement (CETA) with all 27 member states of the European Union this month. This gives Canadian businesses tariff free access to the entire European market. What is your definition of "properly conduct" trade?
As for balancing the budget, there is a time for "balancing the budget" but there is also a time for spending on things like much needed infrastructure, public transit, healthcare to decrease wait times, and increasing defense budgets to meet NATO defense spending commitments. A government is not a business, does not operate like a business, does not serve customers like a business because we are citizens and not customers, and nowhere in the constitution does it ever state that "balancing the budget" should be a government's priority at all times - sometimes yes, sometimes no - all depending on the current economic climate and GDP growth projections. If Mr. Harper was in power, he, as a pragmatist economist, would do exactly the same by running a deficit so that the government can pump more investment into the economy in order to support GDP growth and jobs in a number of industries that rely on government investment. GDP = G + I + C + (Exports - Imports), and one of the 4 key components that make up our GDP growth is G (Government investment).
Former Prime Minister Harper along with all previous conservative governments did the exact same thing when growth slowed down because it is the only thing the government can do in slow growth environments to sustain national GDP. Just for some perspective, Mr. Harper's conservative government ran 6 consecutive years of federal deficits from 2009 to 2015, out of his 9 years as prime minister, totally more than $160 billion in deficit spending through issuing national debt. Mr. Harper did it because he had to and increasing government spending was the only way to sustain GDP growth. There is nothing new about this.
I'm just a little perplexed as to why some people seem to be so intent on "balancing books" like we are running some sort of bagel shop or convenience store.
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CETA is much more complicated than as you describe it. As with NAFTA, little is 'free' and there are many possible drawbacks for Canada in that agreement. Suffice it to say, one should not just describe these things as simply as you are doing, bostonkid123. Interestingly though, CETA is an agreement that Harper was all for .. one would think that Trudeau would not be so enthusiastic. We will see where it leads but I honestly have little faith in Canadian negotiators when it comes to trade deals.
When one does not come close to (or even aim to) balance the budget, it leaves one open to more issues and at some disadvantage than if the budget is balanced, and the deficit is being reduced (hopefully along with the debt as well). Emergencies may not be easily paid for if there are not ready funds to handle them. Borrowing can carry much higher costs. Just as it is not a great idea for an individual or family to carry too much debt or to spend beyond one's means month after month/year after year, so too that applies to countries. And in the end, one government overspends and the next is forced to reign it all in. Of course, Liberals like to be on the spending end (because those who want money lavished on them beam with smiles) but eventually it gets out of hand, in fact often after very little tangible is actually done to show for it, and Canadians are plunged back into paying for it all. Harper spent to some degree .. all governments do .. but many people complained about austerity under him as he tried not to spend too lavishly. He was trying to be responsible for the most part.
I will wait to pass judgement on the guy with the good hair but I suspect he will produce much less for a lot more $ in the end. I will say that Trump's election may help to hold that line far more than if Hillary was coming into power - and that would be a good thing I think. On verra.
Threads like this add absolutely zero value to the civil discourse because the entire premise is based on a one-sided argument augmented by selective Google searches of negative news articles. I can just as easily give you an even bigger list of negative news out of the Trump presidency (plenty out there) and an equally long list of positives of what the Trudeau government has done over the past year. I could, but I won't out of sanity and respect for my Friday evening.
If you want to start a negative and vicious partisan thread do it in the U.S. forum, or better yet, do it in the comments section of Fox and Breitbart. The vast majority of Canadians have no appetite for Trump's brand of politics. Thank you but no thank you.
Just another "liberal" approach to the free speech...
Trump is going to cause his own impeachment, unless he sells off all his businesses.
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Sunny ways! 
