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Old 12-01-2016, 11:11 AM
 
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Trump's proposed tariffs and attitudes towards immigration (legals included) is a form of wealth and income redistribution.

He wants to abolish Obamacare, where people use government subsidies to purchase private insurance.

But then he taxes trade and reduces immigration as a way to artificially boost income to rural Americans.

The expected result is that with higher income, more jobs, those rural Americans will then use that wealth to... buy health insurance.

Remember that the Census has found that 95% of high income Americans purchase health insurance. So buying health insurance is nearly done by everyone who can afford to. It will be rare that a rural American with newfound income/work will forego health insurance.

So what gives? Trump giveth and taketh away in many ways that resemble Bernie Sanders' policies, but socialism is bad?

 
Old 12-01-2016, 11:16 AM
 
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Household income and insurance rate:
http://www.census.gov/content/dam/Ce...mo/p60-257.pdf

Quote:
People with lower household income
had lower health insurance coverage
rates than people with higher income.
In 2015, 85.2 percent of people with
an annual household income of less

than $25,000 had health insurance
coverage, compared with 92.7 percent
of people with household income
ranging from $75,000 to $99,999 and
95.5 percent of people with household
income of $100,000 or more
(Table 4).


The private health insurance coverage
rates varied more for lower
income groups than for higher income
groups. In 2015, the private health
insurance coverage rate for people
with household income between
$25,000 and $49,999 (53.2 percent)
was 22.4 percentage points
higher than the rate for people with
household income below $25,000
(30.8 percent). At the same time, the
private health insurance coverage rate
for people with household income
at or above $100,000 (87.4 percent)
was 7.8 percentage points higher
than the rate for people with household
income between $75,000 and
$99,999 (79.7 percent).
People in households with lower
income were more likely to have government
coverage than people with
higher household income. In 2015,
66.6 percent of people with household
income below $25,000 had government
health coverage, compared
with 19.1 percent of people in the
highest household income group.
 
Old 12-01-2016, 11:19 AM
 
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In other words, isn't Trump just subsidizing American health care through different means? is nationalism just re-branded socialism?
 
Old 12-01-2016, 04:04 PM
 
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pity bump
 
Old 12-01-2016, 04:14 PM
 
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Go to his website and read his economic plans. He lays it all out. It's not exactly nationalism but it's close to it. It's a mix of deregulation, tax breaks and incentives to attract business but also punish those companies who leave.

The socialism of the hard left wants protectionism too but wants to also increase taxes and lobby more regulations.
 
Old 12-01-2016, 04:17 PM
 
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The socialism of the hard left wants protectionism too but wants to also increase taxes and lobby more regulations.
I look forward to the magical calculator that allows a trillion dollar infrastructure bill, tax cuts for the rich and reduced national debt.
 
Old 12-01-2016, 04:37 PM
 
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I look forward to the magical calculator that allows a trillion dollar infrastructure bill, tax cuts for the rich and reduced national debt.
I assume you believe the 53% of those who actually pay federal income taxes are rich.

Leftist, "It's not fair that the people who pay no federal income taxes aren't getting tax breaks."
 
Old 12-01-2016, 04:43 PM
 
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Originally Posted by radiolibre99 View Post
Go to his website and read his economic plans. He lays it all out. It's not exactly nationalism but it's close to it. It's a mix of deregulation, tax breaks and incentives to attract business but also punish those companies who leave.

The socialism of the hard left wants protectionism too but wants to also increase taxes and lobby more regulations.
Trump's senior advisor and campaign CEO, Steve Bannon, openly describes himself as an economic nationalist, FYI. Former Breitbart editor accused Bannon of wanting to turn the GOP into Europe's National Front.

If you read the latest NYT biography of Bannon, the guy even parrots the Marxist criticism of how low-income people die in the wars of the rich. He resents the rich for shipping jobs overseas, sending rural kids to die in their wars, and then if the kids survive the war, they return to a bleak economic situation with no jobs. This is some socialist Howard Zinn stuff but with a weird mixture of white nationalism winked at (see http://tinyurl.com/bannon2)

Missing from Bannon's worldview is the belief that rural kids join the military voluntarily, out of their own free will. And that American consumers voluntarily buy Made in Mexico/India/China goods. Trump seems to forget this last part too.
 
Old 12-01-2016, 06:19 PM
 
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Originally Posted by shihku7 View Post
Trump's senior advisor and campaign CEO, Steve Bannon, openly describes himself as an economic nationalist, FYI. Former Breitbart editor accused Bannon of wanting to turn the GOP into Europe's National Front.

If you read the latest NYT biography of Bannon, the guy even parrots the Marxist criticism of how low-income people die in the wars of the rich. He resents the rich for shipping jobs overseas, sending rural kids to die in their wars, and then if the kids survive the war, they return to a bleak economic situation with no jobs. This is some socialist Howard Zinn stuff but with a weird mixture of white nationalism winked at (see http://tinyurl.com/bannon2)

Missing from Bannon's worldview is the belief that rural kids join the military voluntarily, out of their own free will. And that American consumers voluntarily buy Made in Mexico/India/China goods. Trump seems to forget this last part too.
Yes Bannon is an economic nationalist. I doubt he's a white nationalist. Trump himself and his whole platform is best described as Paelo Con, ala Pat Buchanan. It's all in the right wing populist camp.
 
Old 12-01-2016, 06:26 PM
 
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Who cares what the mainstream gop thinks though? The trump victory is about nationalism,populism and people tired of globalist /koch brother economics,open border and mainstream conservatism and the same globalist attitudes, anti working class/middle class attitudes and open borders with democrats
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