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Old 11-29-2016, 08:24 AM
 
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Its all connected. Your private insurance company might not even exist if Medicare is privatized (in actuality, destroyed).
I work for a multinational company. To give you an example of how protected we are from such changes, my company gives me a car for both professional and personal use. And they replace it with a new one every two years. My partner and I are quite insulated.

I've said this many times in the past. We don't have a dog in this fight at all. If people want to vote against their interest, let them. I don't care anymore.
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Old 11-29-2016, 08:26 AM
 
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I work for a multinational company. To give you an example of how protected we are from such changes, my company gives me a car for both professional and personal use. And they replace it with a new one every two years. My partner and I are quite insulated.

I've said this many times in the past. We don't have a dog in this fight at all. If people want to vote against their interest, let them. I don't care anymore.
If you don't care, you really should stop coming to this forum and posting all the things you did in the past... Merry Christmas...
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Old 11-29-2016, 08:29 AM
 
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Obamacare has been a bad joke and is self destructing.
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Old 11-29-2016, 08:29 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Well, everyone knows Obamacare is a complete and utter failure, and you cannot argue otherwise. As for Medicare, as with any other government program, I'm sure it could use some 'reforms.'

Citation?

Of course. What would you expect? The eponymous law was his "signature" piece of legislation.


Obamacare is too expensive. People cannot afford the premiums, which went way up, instead of down, as Obama had said they would ($2,500/year for the average family, he said). With the ridiculously high premiums, and the extremely high deductibles, the insurance was worthless, unless you had a catastrophic health emergency. Young people would probably never reach the point where the insurance would 'kick in.' So, people are better off not buying the insurance, and paying the penalty, an injustice, to say the least. The Federal Government making citizens pay a penalty for not buying that which they cannot afford is one of the most un-American ideas ever to have been forced on the citizens of a supposedly free country.



Well, duh! Government regulations always drive prices up. When you have more regulations to comply with, specialists must be hired who can understand those regulations, and many other costs to comply are incurred. That is only logical. But liberals tend not to be able to think logically.


Pure speculation and baseless conjecture.
Obamacare is "too expensive" because health care is too expensive. The stark reality is the cost of care exceeds the ability of middle class people to pay. The only way to go forward is with some sort of government subsidy. It can be some piecemeal crap that is filled with winners and losers - a healthcare reflection of our tax code - or we can just bit the bullet and move to what the rest of the world has already done. One thing sure. The GOP is not going to do what is needed and the people who can't afford Obamacare will not have to - it will be gone and they will not be able to afford whatever follows. They will do without or rely on charity. With Trump's man in HHS, look out! His proposal is so destructive to the working class and so onerous for employers that it could not even get a hearing in the GOP congress. Who knows, now?
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Old 11-29-2016, 08:37 AM
 
Location: N Atlanta
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Obamacare is "too expensive" because health care is too expensive. The stark reality is the cost of care exceeds the ability of middle class people to pay. The only way to go forward is with some sort of government subsidy. It can be some piecemeal crap that is filled with winners and losers - a healthcare reflection of our tax code - or we can just bit the bullet and move to what the rest of the world has already done. One thing sure. The GOP is not going to do what is needed and the people who can't afford Obamacare will not have to - it will be gone and they will not be able to afford whatever follows. They will do without or rely on charity. With Trump's man in HHS, look out! His proposal is so destructive to the working class and so onerous for employers that it could not even get a hearing in the GOP congress. Who knows, now?
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Old 11-29-2016, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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I work for a multinational company. To give you an example of how protected we are from such changes, my company gives me a car for both professional and personal use. And they replace it with a new one every two years. My partner and I are quite insulated.

I've said this many times in the past. We don't have a dog in this fight at all. If people want to vote against their interest, let them. I don't care anymore.
It doesn't matter who you work for. You live here, not there.

If Medicare is destroyed (privatized), it will take everything with it. Seniors can not and will not pay market rates for health insurance. So down go the insurance companies. Hospitals will fold without the guaranteed Medicare income. The drug companies will take a very major hit as Medicare part D will no longer exist to pay inflated drug prices. ERs will close, they won't be able to absorb the loss of income. Many doctors (particularly speciialists) will be hit heavily. So will all other healthcare providers.

Won't do you much good to have your insurance if the entire health structure goes down.
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Old 11-29-2016, 08:54 AM
 
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If you don't care, you really should stop coming to this forum and posting all the things you did in the past... Merry Christmas...
I'm here to urge other liberals to STHU.
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Old 11-29-2016, 08:57 AM
 
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It doesn't matter who you work for. You live here, not there.

If Medicare is destroyed (privatized), it will take everything with it. Seniors can not and will not pay market rates for health insurance. So down go the insurance companies. Hospitals will fold without the guaranteed Medicare income. The drug companies will take a very major hit as Medicare part D will no longer exist to pay inflated drug prices. ERs will close, they won't be able to absorb the loss of income. Many doctors (particularly speciialists) will be hit heavily. So will all other healthcare providers.

Won't do you much good to have your insurance if the entire health structure goes down.
I fail to see what you or I can do about this? Republicans now have control of the legislative and executive branches. And in a few months, they will be in control of the judicial branch as well.

If you really are a liberal, you should just let things play out. There is virtually nothing else we can do.

Seniors voted overwhelmingly for republicans. Let them worry about it.
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Old 11-29-2016, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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I fail to see what you or I can do about this? Republicans now have control of the legislative and executive branches. And in a few months, they will be in control of the judicial branch as well.

If you really are a liberal, you should just let things play out. There is virtually nothing else we can do.

Seniors voted overwhelmingly for republicans. Let them worry about it.
The point being that you do have a lot at stake in this.

The one thing that will stop the nonsense of Ryan (and Price) is that all their plans hinge totally on the expectation that those on Medicare will purchase the market based Advantage plans. That won't happen. Guaranteed it won't happen, the vouchers don't pay enough to make up the price differences. Insurance companies know this, they aren't fools like Ryan. The hospitals know it too.

A transition plan for seniors won't work either. Pull out the foundation bricks, the entire building collapses.

Very well could be Medicare will destroy Paul Ryan rather than being destroyed. A $600bil a year industry isn't just going to sit around and let a slimy creep like Ryan destroy them..
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Old 11-29-2016, 09:15 AM
 
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Here's a graph that shows HealthCare spending on the left, and Life Expectancy on the right.
Only 2 countries on this graph don't have universal health care (US and Mexico).

US is all by itself spending way above and beyond anybody else on Health Care per person.
Yet our Life Expectancy is terrible.
Somewhere in the middle would probably be best.

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