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Old 12-02-2016, 10:17 AM
 
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There's an easy solution. The solution is no government and rely on charity
No thanks i think we'll keep our social safety nets.

The problem with charities is that sometimes come with agendas.
Convert to our religion and we'll give you some food.
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Old 12-02-2016, 10:18 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Wow, if that is true that is astounding! I bet Walmart definitely lobbies for liberal ideas. So basically I am supporting Walmart indirectly thru taxes, lol great!
Big grocer is a big lobby.

SNAP is joined at the hip to Farm Aid, most of which goes to Big farm, not family farms.

Then there's tax relief for acreage that might have been used as farmland back when, that now contains a 10,000 square foot home with a 9 car garage.

This stuff is as bipartisan as it gets.
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Old 12-02-2016, 10:19 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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So create more govt employees to do more unproductive tasks such as dust parking meters, dig holes, fill them up and redig them? lol Lets just burn the money in the street.
No. It wouldn't create any more employees. It would require them to work in exchange for the benefits they get now for free. They can simply refuse if they don't want to work, but then they'd get no freebie benefits.
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Old 12-02-2016, 10:22 AM
 
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No. It wouldn't create any more employees. It would require them to work in exchange for the benefits they get now for free. They can simply refuse if they don't want to work, but then they'd get no freebie benefits.
I think his actual issue is he's thinking back to FDR's "workfare," where they did useless things just to say they were working, like dig holes and then fill them back in. I proposed having them tear down abandoned homes or go through landfills to find recyclables or to farm land.
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Old 12-02-2016, 10:24 AM
 
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Exactly what is an "unrealized gain?"
It's an increase in the value of one's holdings that hasn't been sold, or "realized." It's why people aren't taxed on the increasing value of their 401Ks, etc., until they start withdrawing the money after retirement. And then, they're only taxed on the withdrawn, or realized, gains, not on the whole thing at once.
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Old 12-02-2016, 10:30 AM
 
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I agree with the No double-dipping part.

The "obese" part, lol I didn't really pay attention to the food stamp recipients body shape. Matter of fact, I don't know anybody who receive food stamps. I will have to google it.
I posted the USDA's stats on that, here:
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We already know that info. The USDA did a study on that. Take a look at the obesity rates of the poor on food stamps compared to the poor who aren't on food stamps, and compared to the rest of the population:

Income-eligible children on food stamps: 24%
Income-eligible children NOT on food stamps: 20%
Non-poor children who of course don't even qualify for food stamps: 13%

Income-eligible adults on food stamps: 44% obese
Income-eligible adults Not on food stamps: 33% obese
Non-poor adults who of course don't even qualify for food stamps: 32% obese

Exhibit 5, here:
http://www.fns.usda.gov/sites/defaul...-SNAP07-10.pdf

It certainly does appear that the children of poor and low-income families who receive free school breakfast, lunch, etc., program meals, regardless of whether they get food stamps, are being overfed.

Additionally, the USDA OIG (Office of the Inspector General) suggests there's a problem with poor and low-income families stacking multiple public assistance benefits for the exact same meals (e.g., parents given food stamps to pay for providing breakfast and lunch for their children, but their children are eating at school - free breakfast and lunch programs and sometimes dinner, too, even in the summer and on school holidays). That enables the food stamp recipient adults to overeat.

According to the OIG, 59% of families on food stamps simultaneously get benefits from 2 or more major free food programs for the exact same daily meals. That fact published by the USDA OIG.

http://www.usda.gov/oig/webdocs/27001-0001-10.pdf

Are we really doing the poor any favors by causing their obesity by letting them double-dip and sometimes even triple-dip government free food program benefits, thereby enabling their overeating and ruining their health?
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Old 12-02-2016, 10:30 AM
 
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No. It wouldn't create any more employees. It would require them to work in exchange for the benefits they get now for free. They can simply refuse if they don't want to work, but then they'd get no freebie benefits.
Yes it would. Paying a welfare recipient with tax dollars to do make work is exactly the same as paying any govt. employee.
And who will supervise the work,track the work, decide what "work" even is? Yippee an entirely new bureaucracy constructed around an existing scheme! A central planners wet dream.
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Old 12-02-2016, 10:32 AM
 
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My mother died when I was 2,father when I was 5,leaving my brother at 18,having just graduated, with the burden of 4 children,legal guardian applied for aid,state said hand over 2 youngest,of course did not happen.
Family lived on hand to mouth and growing own food.This was 1939,brother served in world war 2,he graduated with aid from GI Bill, college.no handouts here.
He also in life provided college education for many.
Today the younger generation looks at entitlement greed and freeby.
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Old 12-02-2016, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Houston
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No thanks i think we'll keep our social safety nets.

The problem with charities is that sometimes come with agendas.
Convert to our religion and we'll give you some food.
The problem with government is they have low or non-existant standards to who they care for.

Few churches I know of that engage in charity have any religious affiliation requirement. Yes, impoverished church members are a priority. Nothing wrong with that.
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Old 12-02-2016, 10:40 AM
 
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You've reached the wrong conclusion.
It means the people on food stamps are not making the healthiest decisions about what goes into their cart.

They are buying the cheap stuff, which is high sugar, high corn fructose, high calorie crap.
If you want to eat healthy, you gotta open your wallet.
You're wrong about that. The obesity rate of the income-eligible who CHOOSE to NOT receive Food stamps is lower. I cited the USDA's own data on that. Same level of poor, but those NOT receiving Food Stamps, as a group, are eating more healthily and less.

Additionally, the 59% of Food Stamp recipients who are double-dipping and triple-dipping or more major taxpayer-funded free food program benefits for the exact same meals are a significant problem. They're getting and eating multiple times more food than they need.
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