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Old 12-09-2016, 04:02 PM
 
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Radio?? did you not listen to trump? Where you been for 8 yrs? You could not have buried your head with all the stuff being said at the high levels in DC- rem the dude calling OBAMA a LIAR in front of the world in the chamber of congress??? there was plenty of verified statements made how he did not belong- etc etc- come on-really? I am Not saying they are all- but they now have carried a BIG banner with trump as his followers-- He has liberated the racists-- They feel free to say and act now-- you can read it right here on CD- be real
I think Republicans do not like the outsider culture and a party of assimilation to American values. So yes in a sense they tend to be culturalists and this gets conflated with race in the press. Liberals react in a manner where they only see race as the issue but the GOP tends to be at it's worst a cultural chauvinist and assimilationist party that mostly respects American values to continue the country's mission of promoting liberty and whatnot, they do not see it a racist thing.
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Old 12-09-2016, 04:05 PM
 
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Ahh..an easy one....settling refugee's in this country is indeed..by definition..legal, organized immigration.
..And Republican's vehemently oppose it.

Yes, I know you'll say it's different..but really..it's not. If the people come here legally--whether or not you agree--then it is immigration.
The issue with having people from the Middle East immigrate here is about vetting them carefully before allowing them to enter whether they be refugees or not. Before the terrorists attacks throughout this country and Europe, and 9/11 there were no issues with allowing immigrants from the Middle East in legally. It's just common sense. Even legal immigration is not nor has it ever been a death wish.
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Old 12-09-2016, 04:09 PM
 
Location: Twin Falls Idaho
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I was with you until the end of the post where you almost cheered the end of the "old white man" as a tipping point. That sounds like the canard liberals use to keep from voting GOP; that they'll be in charge in stead of whitey, as if there can't be mutual cooperation and habitation with white people. I mean that is racist. If I am wrong, please let me know.
And why does Trump hijacking the party a bad thing or have to be an "alt-right" thing? I think many people especially conservative Democrats were looking for a party that was economically populist and not so pro corporate at any cost while still somewhat socially conservative. Trump flipped the script on the GOP. All he has to do is crush this myth that the GOP is racist and only for whites and the Dems are finished. He should make it clear that when he says Make America Great Again, Americans first and what not he means Americans of all stripes, and that his politics are not ethno-nationalist but merely American nationalist.
Not cheering..just stating a fact..kinda as a warning--that soon the paradigm will shift..and the political party that best recognizes that fact and adjusts--will be the one that comes out ahead. As a 65 year-old white man...not all that in favor of the changing of the guard..LoL!

I don't think that Trump has made his candidacy about the Alt/right...I think some of his followers have..and Trump used them..as a tool.

I guess my point was, that Trump appears to be in the classic pose of riding the tiger..the tiger being the mainstream Republican party...will he stay on top...or will he become dinner?

I agree with the bolded...but his problem is that he really isn't Republican...and that some of his picks for office don't really reassure people of color.
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Old 12-09-2016, 04:11 PM
 
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Well..an interestin' choice of words....many would feel that Ethnocentrism describes the Alt/Right to a 'T'.
Perhaps, but 'Alt right' aren't basically invading other countries and colonizing them. If whites not wanting to be a displaced minority in their own homelands is ethnocentrism then sometimes it's a just and moral thing.

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You are just writing off the African-Americans eh? Why?
Have you talked to or listen to them? You might as well talk to a brick wall. Also they've been voting ~90%+ democrat for many decades and majority Democrat for well over a century. Blacks are not a lost cause in the sense you might convince 1-2% more to not vote Democrat, but I mean it's a lost cause expecting them to ever vote net Republican. I think that might apply to a lessor extent all non-whites at this point

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Everything I learned about Communism bears no resemblance to the Democratic party--they sure don't think the State will wither away. Socialism, sure---some things. But most people know that Socialism and Communism are very different things--and their followers don't agree with each-other at all.
All I know is what communism really is, a one party authoritarian government where the party member are all wealthy and powerful and everyone else is powerless and poor. This is where the democrat party is going for some time now.

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To the point of the thread..I think that most minorities in this country tend to vote Democrat because of family tradition and the perception that the Republican party is the 'White Majority' party.

I think that this perception is flawed..just as the perception that most Democrats favor 'anti-white identity politics', is also flawed.

As a registered Republican..I do know that demographics are not the parties friend---while many will claim that Trump's win was a Republican victory..most of us know better...he was a populist candidate who hijacked the party...and did so brilliantly! Many believe that the backlash is coming..and that the Republican party will 'co-opt' his victory..and leave the Alt/right with nothing----time will tell.

PS...one thing is clear...more black, brown and yellow babies are being born in the US every day--and every day..more old white men are dying--at some time in the near future, a tipping point will be reached.
Both the Republican and democrat party is not just not pro-white but somewhat anti-white. That's just where it's gone to. The democrats are strongly anti-white with their politics. I don't care what anyone says, point blank you cannot vote for the democrat party and not be accepting of anti-white politics.
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Old 12-09-2016, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Twin Falls Idaho
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The issue with having people from the Middle East immigrate here is about vetting them carefully before allowing them to enter whether they be refugees or not. Before the terrorists attacks throughout this country and Europe, and 9/11 there were no issues with allowing immigrants from the Middle East in legally. It's just common sense. Even legal immigration is not nor has it ever been a death wish.
For sure..not disagreeing--just went for the challenge....about naming some forms of legal immigration that Republicans oppose.

I will point out that there are a lot of refugee's that are not Moslem---that are still opposed by most Republicans.
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Old 12-09-2016, 04:18 PM
 
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For sure..not disagreeing--just went for the challenge....about naming some forms of legal immigration that Republicans oppose.

I will point out that there are a lot of refugee's that are not Moslem---that are still opposed by most Republicans.

Could you name them? Would they be a fiscal burden to our society? The devils in the details you know.
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Old 12-09-2016, 04:20 PM
 
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Same reason most people vote Democrat - free stuff.
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Old 12-09-2016, 04:21 PM
 
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For sure..not disagreeing--just went for the challenge....about naming some forms of legal immigration that Republicans oppose.

I will point out that there are a lot of refugee's that are not Moslem---that are still opposed by most Republicans.
True, and I'm never going to argue that. What I will argue is the false narrative pushed by some people that Republicans are against legal immigration.
My parents were legal immigrants. They were hard core blue collar pro union hard working democrats. I turned out to be a Republican....don't ask how that happened, LOL.
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Old 12-09-2016, 04:21 PM
 
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This an example of supposedly calling out the Democratic but what's is really going on is that Latinos collectively are being called grifters looking for handouts.

This kind of bigotry is at the core of most conservative policy choices.

Nothing bigoted about the truth especially when it comes to the illegal kind of Latino.
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Old 12-09-2016, 04:22 PM
 
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Radio?? did you not listen to trump? Where you been for 8 yrs? You could not have buried your head with all the stuff being said at the high levels in DC- rem the dude calling OBAMA a LIAR in front of the world in the chamber of congress??? there was plenty of verified statements made how he did not belong- etc etc- come on-really? I am Not saying they are all- but they now have carried a BIG banner with trump as his followers-- He has liberated the racists-- They feel free to say and act now-- you can read it right here on CD- be real
You have a complete blind spot to all the racist stuff people say about Trump, his supporters and whites. When I say people I mean Democrats and their supporters and all the non-white identity activist groups.
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