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How many people can honestly say that the e-mails were the tipping point of their decision to vote for Donald Trump over Hillary Clinton.
I really think the number is close to zero, except for maybe the emotionally unstable.
No one can factually state one way or the other, but I see that doesn't stop you from speculating. A credible person might say that number is greater than zero since 20,000 emails from the DNC were exposed.
For the umpteenth time, it's the actions and motive that are important.
I find it interesting how the democrats are complaining about the Russians interfering with the election because if they did, wouldn't Trump have won the popular vote too? Also, they didn't seem to mind when Obama sent our tax payer money to Israel and went over there personally to interfere with their election....and it backfired.
No one is claiming that the hackers messed with the ballots and/or actual voting numbers. The hacking claim---which is backed by 17 intelligent agencies---is that they were trying to INFLUENCE the election.
Well, I can't speak for the experts but I don't think anyone has directly stated or showed evidence that voting machines were hacked. There is evidence that email was hacked and (I haven't read much today) I think email servers were hacked for both parties. It was just the DNC emails that were released. Either the RNC had nothing juicy or someone chose not to release the RNC information. Who knows.
What the data is suggesting is that a foreign state infiltrated servers and caused the release of data/emails/etc, that could be seen as influencing public opinion for one side. Now, depending on your worldview, maybe things got released that the public is glad to have seen. The real question we need to ask ourselves is are we okay with foreign governments hacking into our RNC and DNC or other parties' information and using it to influence voters? I'm not okay with that and I would be very happy if the government (bi partisan) investigated the matter thoroughly to see how far they went and what actions they took so that it can be prevented for further elections.
I have not yet heard that voting machines have been directly hacked but I do believe we need to make sure that does not happen.
The bolded is my take on it. I'm not okay with this and I wouldn't be no matter the election year and no matter who won.
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If they did something that altered the voting numbers I would have a major issue, you know like that precinct in Detroit that recorded three times more votes than they had ballots that Hillary won by a landslide. But if you mean releasing emails that they got because Leon Podesta gave them his passwords? Nope. If you mean it's wrong because they only released items that negatively impacted Hillary? Not a chance, that is not hacking that is selective release of information and is what the media, both in print and on the TV, did the entire election cycle trying to manipulate the vote. It is what they did in 2012 to Romney. Funny how that is only offensive if it's on one side.
I might be persuaded this is horrific if the emails were fictional, but they weren't. They were the real thing. Sometimes the truth hurts.
Hit the nail on the head, hag! The left is acting like all this info was made up and released just to screw Hillary. Well, maybe if she had turned over her e mails when ordered by congress to do so, we would have seen everything without Wikileaks's intervention. Many of us have always known what a despicable person Hillary is, and how corrupt the DNC and the media are. As it turned out, it took Wiki to show the rest of the voters, those who actually cared about the truth, the real depths of the depravity.
I find it interesting how the democrats are complaining about the Russians interfering with the election because if they did, wouldn't Trump have won the popular vote too? Also, they didn't seem to mind when Obama sent our tax payer money to Israel and went over there personally to interfere with their election....and it backfired.
Not necessarily. If Russia DIRECTLY influenced the elections (via tampering with voting machines) they only needed to do this in a few states, because we do NOT choose presidents by popular vote. They'd need only to tamper with voting machines in swings states that had them. Which is not impossible, I suppose.
That said, they believe they indirectly attempted to influence the election via leaked information. Which is wrong, no matter whether our country has tried the same thing or not. Since when are we supposed to care about whether we wronged Russia more than we care about whether or not Russia wronged us?
Why are we suddenly more concerned about Israel than our own country?
Speaking as US citizens, of course. Naturally Israelis might care more about their own country. As they should.
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The emails were the tipping point for a lot of people to stay home. Trump got fewer votes than Romney in 2012. He didn't win because of a groundswell of support, he won because Democratic voters stayed home.
You got that right. They stayed home for any number of reasons; Clinton was a poor candidate; disgruntled Sanders supporters; but first and foremost, they totally underestimated the power of fascist populism to promote and elect a demagogue like Donald Trump. They assumed someone else would do the heavy lifting for them. Lazy and naive and their apathy may very well mark the end of the American experiment with democracy, and the end of the current world order. Remains to be seen but it hangs in the balance.
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