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Old 12-11-2016, 07:36 AM
 
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What is a religion? It's just a system of beliefs. It doesn't even require a belief in deities. Just look at Buddhism, one of the world's largest religions.

That said, it makes no sense that a church should not be able to discuss politics or endorse a candidate any more than it would be to prohibit a Marxist organization from doing the same.

Though for that reason, churches need to pay taxes as well.
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Old 12-11-2016, 07:41 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Religious leaders are still quite free to preach the tenets of their faith. They are not allowed to endorse a specific candidate and keep the privilege of tax-exempt status.

You still haven't answered my question: why is this wrong?

Answer carefully. Doing away with this rule would benefit *all* who want to stump for a candidate from the pulpit.


It was not intended, or needed and unconstitutional. GOD was always in government's business from the beginning and our creator, well within the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, with the Bill of Rights, as off limits to any man...

For 180 years without it, we did quite well with government out of GOD's business. The Johnson Amendment placed government in God's business.
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Old 12-11-2016, 07:49 AM
 
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What is a religion? It's just a system of beliefs. It doesn't even require a belief in deities. Just look at Buddhism, one of the world's largest religions.

That said, it makes no sense that a church should not be able to discuss politics or endorse a candidate any more than it would be to prohibit a Marxist organization from doing the same.

Though for that reason, churches need to pay taxes as well.
That is what we have now. Churches *can* endorse candidates, as long as they pay taxes.
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Old 12-11-2016, 08:01 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Black pastors were the party of Lincoln.... LBJ had to nix that crap. MLK almost started a revolution.

We will have them ni**ers voting Democrat, for the next 200 years - Lyndon Baines Johnson
The Johnson Amendment, was just a piece of the puzzle to control the narrative and silence the church.
Look how low the morals of the American society have fallen, since the Johnson Amendment.
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Old 12-11-2016, 08:04 AM
 
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Pope Francis is sure to like this.
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Old 12-11-2016, 08:24 AM
 
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Religious leaders are still quite free to preach the tenets of their faith. They are not allowed to endorse a specific candidate and keep the privilege of tax-exempt status.

You still haven't answered my question: why is this wrong?

Answer carefully. Doing away with this rule would benefit *all* who want to stump for a candidate from the pulpit.
I'm with you on this one. I don't see what the big issue is if they can't endorse a candidate. As you said, they can and do talk policy. If someone can't figure out what candidate they support, they aren't listening.

One of our pastors talked about issues before the election. He never once endorsed anyone or mentioned a name, but it was clear who he supported.

The last thing I want to see in a church is a politician stumping for votes. That's not the place for it.
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Old 12-11-2016, 08:26 AM
 
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Once again religious leaders will be able to talk politics in church
People can talk about anything they like when on private property. What cannot be done is a leader urging the flock to vote or support a certain party or political ideology. That's more than talking.

They do it, anyway, though.
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Old 12-11-2016, 08:32 AM
 
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People can talk about anything they like when on private property. What cannot be done is a leader urging the flock to vote or support a certain party or political ideology. That's more than talking.

They do it, anyway, though.

The government has to control the message, or they have no control.
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Old 12-12-2016, 05:39 AM
 
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People can talk about anything they like when on private property. What cannot be done is a leader urging the flock to vote or support a certain party or political ideology. That's more than talking.

They do it, anyway, though.
The issue is churches don't want to pay taxes so they must remain apolitical.
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Old 12-12-2016, 07:00 AM
 
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Trump mentioned trying to do away with the Johnson amendment a few months ago, but I have not heard anything since. Is he or someone in his administration, or Congress actually talking about this again? I thought he was just pandering.

The focus of churches is supposed to be teaching about the Gospel of Jesus Christ, not preaching about "social gospel". If they want to do this, they should pay taxes.

We get bombarded with political talk all the time. If I have to hear it at church too, and get told which candidate or party to support, especially in the sermons, I may stop going to church all together.
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