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Meanwhile, Trump owes 100s of millions of dollars to Putin's inner circle, had a campaign manager who worked as a pro-Russia lobbyist in the Ukraine right before they were invaded, was in secret contact w/ the Kremlin during the campaign, and is nominating a pro-Russia dealmaker for Sec of State....
But no, let's focus on Obama's diplomacy while fighting off an anti-Russia wave from the Right spurred on by Mitt Romney.
They were not "invaded," unfortunately so. If the South-East of Ukraine would have been invaded by Russian troops for real, it would have prevented a lot of death and destruction. But Putin ( in spite of his promises) betrayed the people of that region who put their trust in him. There is nothing wrong lobbying "pro-Russia" among Russians living in Ukraine, since this whole region historically and culturally is a transitional point between Russia and Ukraine, as much as Western part of Ukraine is a transitional point between Ukraine and Poland. Ukraine (as a country) unfortunately is not something homogeneous - it has been patched from different ( and not always compatible) pieces.
Unfortunately Barack Obama was continuing the policy directed at destruction of Russia, a policy chosen by Democrats Clintons, and this policy was not going to end up well.
As much as I like Obama, I have to call spade a spade. This was not exactly his fault - he followed Clintons, and when it comes to Clintons, I have to repeat one more time; you can't be a Democrat only for domestic consumption, and to pursue the ultra-right imperialist policies elsewhere, as it was a case with Russia.
And that's where the whole knot is.
Soon you'll have to find another made up enemy of the U.S. to cry about. It looks like Russia and the U.S. may actually work together and at least be cordial to each other in the near future.
Perhaps you can take up hating Iran. They seem to hate us far more than Russia.
Honestly, I wouldn't put the words "cordial" and "Putin" in one sentence.
As much as I don't like Trump, I am afraid I might start feeling sorry for him at a certain point in time.
With all his faults he doesn't come across as a conning type, while Putin on another hand...
Why do Republicans want to make friends all over the word and it is the Democrats dead set on making enemies.
Nixon reached out to China and Reagan reached out to the USSR. Bush got 2 flying bombs put on his head and he went for revenge.
Because Putin can outspend the Ukraine all day and all night if he wanted to give bribes to Hillary's foundation. If Putin outspent the Ukraine giving bribe money to Hillary, Hillary would have dropped the Ukraine like a hot potato and Putin would have been one of her best friends.
Just FYI, it's not the Ukraine. It's just Ukraine. We had a Ukrainian man working for us, and he said that saying, "the Ukraine" is like saying " the America."
Soon you'll have to find another made up enemy of the U.S. to cry about. It looks like Russia and the U.S. may actually work together and at least be cordial to each other in the near future.
Perhaps you can take up hating Iran. They seem to hate us far more than Russia.
Uh huh... stop acting like you aren't going to be first to jump on the Pro-Iran team when Trump continues and defends the deal Obama & the other European leaders crafted. 4 years ago, Conservatives were apoplectic that Obama was trying to be diplomatic w/ Russia. Now yall are like... "Finally someone that's going to be diplomatic w/ Russia." Tell us what changed...
Nothing. We know Conservatives have no integrity with their beliefs, it's just about scoring political points.
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They were not "invaded," unfortunately so. If the South-East of Ukraine would have been invaded by Russian troops for real, it would have prevented a lot of death and destruction. But Putin ( in spite of his promises) betrayed the people of that region who put their trust in him. There is nothing wrong lobbying "pro-Russia" among Russians living in Ukraine, since this whole region historically and culturally is a transitional point between Russia and Ukraine, as much as Western part of Ukraine is a transitional point between Ukraine and Poland. Ukraine (as a country) unfortunately is not something homogeneous - it has been patched from different ( and not always compatible) pieces.
Unfortunately Barack Obama was continuing the policy directed at destruction of Russia, a policy chosen by Democrats Clintons, and this policy was not going to end up well.
As much as I like Obama, I have to call spade a spade. This was not exactly his fault - he followed Clintons, and when it comes to Clintons, I have to repeat one more time; you can't be a Democrat only for domestic consumption, and to pursue the ultra-right imperialist policies elsewhere, as it was a case with Russia.
And that's where the whole knot is.
Whether they're wearing Russian uniforms or Russian army "defectors," the motives & actions are the same. If you don't want to call it an invasion, fine.
There's nothing wrong w/ being a Pro-Russian lobbyist if you want Pro-Russian opinions and directions. Based on the rest of the world's stance to Russia right now, that's not the direction an advisor to the President should have. Our allies, and to a lesser extent, the US, have serious issues with Russia acting out on the world stage. A sudden reversal to side with Russia against our allies is going to do more to destabilize the region than our current path.
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Just FYI, it's not the Ukraine. It's just Ukraine. We had a Ukrainian man working for us, and he said that saying, "the Ukraine" is like saying " the America."
Uh huh... stop acting like you aren't going to be first to jump on the Pro-Iran team when Trump continues and defends the deal Obama & the other European leaders crafted. 4 years ago, Conservatives were apoplectic that Obama was trying to be diplomatic w/ Russia. Now yall are like... "Finally someone that's going to be diplomatic w/ Russia." Tell us what changed...
Nothing. We know Conservatives have no integrity with their beliefs, it's just about scoring political points.
Whether they're wearing Russian uniforms or Russian army "defectors," the motives & actions are the same. If you don't want to call it an invasion, fine.
There's nothing wrong w/ being a Pro-Russian lobbyist if you want Pro-Russian opinions and directions. Based on the rest of the world's stance to Russia right now, that's not the direction an advisor to the President should have. Our allies, and to a lesser extent, the US, have serious issues with Russia acting out on the world stage. A sudden reversal to side with Russia against our allies is going to do more to destabilize the region than our current path.
Just an FYI, I will never be pro Iran as long as they are an Islamic radical hell hole. It wouldn't matter to me if Ronald Reagan came back from the dead and told me to be pro Iran. It ain't going to happen.
On the other hand, I have always felt that after the Cold War, the U.S. would benefit greatly if we found some common ground with Russia and worked together on some issues.
Uh huh... stop acting like you aren't going to be first to jump on the Pro-Iran team when Trump continues and defends the deal Obama & the other European leaders crafted. 4 years ago, Conservatives were apoplectic that Obama was trying to be diplomatic w/ Russia. Now yall are like... "Finally someone that's going to be diplomatic w/ Russia." Tell us what changed...
Nothing. We know Conservatives have no integrity with their beliefs, it's just about scoring political points.
Whether they're wearing Russian uniforms or Russian army "defectors," the motives & actions are the same. If you don't want to call it an invasion, fine.
There's nothing wrong w/ being a Pro-Russian lobbyist if you want Pro-Russian opinions and directions. Based on the rest of the world's stance to Russia right now, that's not the direction an advisor to the President should have. Our allies, and to a lesser extent, the US, have serious issues with Russia acting out on the world stage. A sudden reversal to side with Russia against our allies is going to do more to destabilize the region than our current path.
The Mitt Romney establishment tools are out of power & Trump is in. I'm surprised you weren't able to see the difference.
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