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Old 12-12-2016, 09:15 AM
 
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Big picture, I agree. But for the system to work, you need to mandate that everyone has *some* level of insurance so that the rest of us don't pay for their emergency care.

I have an "ACA 1.0" plan with a 10k/year deductible. More importantly, I pay BCBS's negotiated prices for
care and generic prescriptions.
I either pay for their care in the ER or I pay for their subsidized insurance.

We need county hospitals for the indigent that are run in a dormitory mass production fashion with healthcare professionals in training. Ask any doctor how hard it was to get into a hospital intern program. This will add more.
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Old 12-12-2016, 09:17 AM
 
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Liberals should all be mandated to spend three months a year working in hospitals for free, since they believe strongly in healthcare for the indigent and illegal. That would immediately add millions of liberal laborers to our healthcare system and they would also be happy to do it, so I am told.
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Old 12-12-2016, 09:19 AM
 
Location: Sarasota, Fl
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You pay and get treated, or you don't and don't get treated.
This is the type of system that advanced countries try to avoid.
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Old 12-12-2016, 09:19 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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I am watching some friend's elderly parents spend their entire net worth in nursing and assisted living businesses. They are going to leave their children with no or very little inheritance. That will have severe economic consequences as the mass of the "Boomers" are forced to sell their real estate and investments. This forced sell off is not going to do these markets any good.

I think we will have a government sponsored, without any insurance company participation, health care system similar to much of the rest of the first world, when these sacred economic cows discover the prices for their commodities are heading for collapse. This will also be aggravated by the Student Loan system diverting money from the young adults unable to pay for a mortgage due to their existing debt.


I expect many of the folks on this forum are going to be might surprised when they realize mommy and daddy are going to live in a very expensive 'fee for service" system set up to prevent anyone from keeping their life savings and property.
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Old 12-12-2016, 09:22 AM
 
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This is the type of system that advanced countries try to avoid.
Right, because all advanced countries have liberals, who magically vote things into existence while demanding their decisions not directly affect them (i.e., they say that people in the healthcare field should work harder, while they work at Kinko's or as accountants).
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Old 12-12-2016, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Sarasota, Fl
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I either pay for their care in the ER or I pay for their subsidized insurance.

Far less expensive (and way more compassionate) for us to subsidize ongoing care.
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Old 12-12-2016, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Near a river
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So basically we should just let thr poor die in the streets? Even Trump has said he's opposed to allowing that.
Trump has said a lot of things.
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Old 12-12-2016, 09:25 AM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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Simple, allow people to get catastrophic coverage and make doctors and hospitals post prices that we pay out of pocket.

I just found out my family of four insurance is going to $1600 per month after an employer contribution of $500 a month.

I'd be much better off with catastrophic insurance and paying for everything else.
Great, but hospitals negotiate different deals with different insurance companies. It would look like a set of encyclopedias to list every procedure and its rate for every insurance company. Then there are even differences based on the plans in each insurance company.
Have you looked at a hospital bill? After an hour in the ER and 24 hours for observation it was a 20 page list of charges and I'm sure that is a fraction of the services that are provided by that hospital.
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Old 12-12-2016, 09:26 AM
 
Location: Near a river
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Liberals should all be mandated to spend three months a year working in hospitals for free, since they believe strongly in healthcare for the indigent and illegal. That would immediately add millions of liberal laborers to our healthcare system and they would also be happy to do it, so I am told.
It's not an issue of liberals v rightwingers any more. It's coming down to rich v poor.
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Old 12-12-2016, 09:26 AM
 
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Trump has said a lot of things.
Yes, now he and Paul Ryan and all the GOPers in Washington have realized that fixing healthcare is a lot harder than "repealing Obamacare", even though they supposedly have all these big huge plans they've already thought out (but just haven't revealed to us folks).
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