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Old 12-12-2016, 11:51 AM
 
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I wonder....


I never watched the first debate, only part of the second and the third......I recently watched again some of the segments of the last 2 debates and I reached the same conclusion I did the first time, I do not see Hillary winning at least not convincingly so......he did throw some good punches and she had good moments as well...he did put her on the defensive quite few times.

I'm trying to be as impartial as I can considering that I did not vote for either of them.

Now, in light of the election night debacle that nobody in the media saw coming, do you think that is another case of media delusion believing what they want to believe?? Even recently Chris Matthews stated again that Hillary won all the debates a not disputable fact.

I read few British and Italian major newspapers from time to time and couple of them actually gave called the second and third debate for Trump or at leas tied.
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Old 12-12-2016, 11:57 AM
 
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You have to grade Trump on a curve, because he cannot actually outpoint her with facts and reasoned arguments. If you watched all three debates with no expectations of either candidate, she clearly won all three, but that's not how debates work. I think Trump realistically won the second debate, because he dramatically exceeded expectations.
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Old 12-12-2016, 12:34 PM
 
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You have to grade Trump on a curve, because he cannot actually outpoint her with facts and reasoned arguments. If you watched all three debates with no expectations of either candidate, she clearly won all three, but that's not how debates work. I think Trump realistically won the second debate, because he dramatically exceeded expectations.

Well....he actually had few good factual lines....Putin did outsmart Obama and Clinton every step of the way....not to mention Hillary ties with Wall Street and the fact that many people ended in trouble for way less serious issues than the emailgate.
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Old 12-12-2016, 12:57 PM
 
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I didn't watch any of them other than a few minutes of the first one.. at which time I was close to throwing up and turned it off.

But, he was.. Trump.. And she was just so smug and sanctimonious.. I remember him basically calling her "Ms Clinton" throughout, and she just called him "Donald"

It really left me disliking her even more.. And I didn't think that was possible.
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Old 12-12-2016, 12:58 PM
 
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SNL should have done a debate sketch where Hillary was answering the questions before they got asked.
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Old 12-12-2016, 01:04 PM
 
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I thought Trump prevailed in the second debate, and several Hillary supporters (present with me during the debate) agreed. Martha Raddatz' over-the-line interaction with Trump also drummed up sympathy for him during that debate.
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Old 12-12-2016, 01:05 PM
 
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The first was a tie...slightly leaning Clinton

Trump won 2 and 3.
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Old 12-12-2016, 01:06 PM
 
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You have to grade Trump on a curve, because he cannot actually outpoint her with facts and reasoned arguments. If you watched all three debates with no expectations of either candidate, she clearly won all three, but that's not how debates work. I think Trump realistically won the second debate, because he dramatically exceeded expectations.
Debates are always easier when you're given the questions ahead of time.
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Old 12-12-2016, 01:07 PM
 
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I thought he did well if you go back to my old posts. But all the polls showed differently.
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Old 12-12-2016, 01:08 PM
 
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Considering her answers were well rehearsed and came off so I would have expected her to do even better. She most likely had all the questions beforehand.
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