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Old 12-13-2016, 08:35 AM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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Unless teachers and school staff would be willing to take big pay cuts, why should I assume the cost would go down?
It isn't if they're willing to or not. They'll be paid what they're actually worth. In a competitive environment, teachers/schools would compete for business instead of having a stready stream of "customers" forced in every year...and I actually think the best teachers should be paid very very well, and they would be in that environment. There would probably be a lot of variance in the cost of education.

You may say "well then the best schools will only be available for people who can afford it", and you'd be right in most cases. It's like "well the best houses are only available to people who can afford them"...yeah, of course.
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Old 12-13-2016, 08:41 AM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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It isn't if they're willing to or not. They'll be paid what they're actually worth. In a competitive environment, teachers/schools would compete for business instead of having a stready stream of "customers" forced in every year...and I actually think the best teachers should be paid very very well, and they would be in that environment. There would probably be a lot of variance in the cost of education.

You may say "well then the best schools will only be available for people who can afford it", and you'd be right in most cases. It's like "well the best houses are only available to people who can afford them"...yeah, of course.
Do you understand the difference between education and housing? Education produces a great ROI for the student as well as their community, while housing produces no ROI (believe it or not)
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Old 12-13-2016, 08:45 AM
 
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Do you understand the difference between education and housing? Education produces a great ROI for the student as well as their community, while housing produces no ROI (believe it or not)

Housing produces an ROI for the housing owner, whether owner-occupant or slumlord.
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Old 12-13-2016, 08:51 AM
 
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You just stated it won't be enough to live on, then you state it will be invested. Which line are you taking?

Rent serfs won't be able to live on it, and homeowners without mortgage payments will be able to invest.
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Old 12-13-2016, 08:54 AM
 
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I fully support the basic income but I think it should come with the following conditions for people on the basic income:

1. They not allowed to vote. Why should people receiving welfare be able to vote to fund their own pocket?

2. They are not allowed to have children.
3. They are required to maintain certain health standards such as no smoking, excessive drinking or abusing drugs.
4. If they commit crime, they get double the sentence without parole.
5. They get priority when being drafted to war.

Why should homeowners be allowed to vote for a rental property tax that the homeowner doesn't pay?
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Old 12-13-2016, 08:56 AM
 
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Contrary to popular belief, money doesn't end poverty.

If it did, let us wave our legislative wand, and deposit in EVERYONE'S Account, 22 billion billion quatloos - a substantial sum. Everyone is equally wealthy. Now, that everyone is "Set for Life," what happens next?
Everyone has "enough" money - so no one bothers to work, transport, trade, etc, etc, and civilization collapses.


The problem is not money, but money madness - as well as inflation (debasement) and usury.

Prosperity is based on production, equitable trade and enjoyment of surplus usable goods and services.
It has no relation to money, or acquisition of surplus money.

Unfortunately, the world is indoctrinated to believe in the abstraction of money ("get rich") instead of the reality ("Let's be more productive").

Frankly, people have to wake up to that fact, and stop limiting themselves by money madness, and start getting productive.

And the worst madness is giving the power to "create money" to those who are not the producers (laborers or businesses) but parasites (governments and bankers).

What happens is, greedy landlords immediately increase rents in order to appropriate to themselves a lot of quatloos.
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Old 12-13-2016, 09:02 AM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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Do you understand the difference between education and housing? Education produces a great ROI for the student as well as their community, while housing produces no ROI (believe it or not)
The comparison was just to illustrate that there's nothing wrong with people paying more for higher quality services or products. Return on investment doesn't change that.
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Old 12-13-2016, 09:03 AM
 
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Why on Earth would I get a job if I can make $8.25/hr sitting at home playing on my iPad? Is basic income eligibility determined by family income or household income? If it's just family income that would be a huge disincentive to get married.

Depends on whether you are a heterosexual male, in which case $8.25/hr will be insufficient for a decent life.
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Old 12-13-2016, 09:03 AM
 
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https://thebossmagazine.com/canada-u...c-income-plan/

Good news in my opinion. The amount is $1,320 a month. A not unreasonable amount. I love seeing trials like this, it is the kind of basic research in this that we need.

And make no mistake, massive technological unemployment is coming.
I love seeing trials like this, too, since it is well known that laughter enriches the soul.
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Old 12-13-2016, 09:06 AM
 
Location: USA
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I pity the Canadian workers who have to shoulder this expense.
I believe in a basic income system every single legal citizen receives the check, from the richest billionaire to someone totally broke.

It's great to see Canada looking towards the future while we have a president elect who spews nonsense about bringing back millions of manufacturing jobs.
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