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Old 12-13-2016, 02:59 PM
 
Location: USA
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Most of the populist right wing parties in europe tend to be very right wing on protecting the borders,crime etc, but very liberal on alot of social issues. Many of the far and populist right politicians declare themselves champions of gay and lesbian rights and women’s rights against the forces of radical islam and alot of them are very pro environment and get alot of the working class vote.

I dont see how you have society like copenhagen if you have large scale immigration, you end up like american cities with massive economic inequality, gentrification and ghettos and economic and racial segregation , poor mass transit etc.

It would be interesting to see a european style right wing/populist party with socially liberal values in america but the two party system in America pretty much leaves us these wretched two parties and choices
I would be all for a Right that believes in protecting it Citizens first and more open to social issues, or a Left that does the same.
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Old 12-13-2016, 03:07 PM
 
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The whole article was about his reaction to obamas decision to accept 2,000 refugees Australia sent to languish in the south pacific. The Australian governments strategy it seems is to treat asylum-seekers who arrive by boat so terribly that they simply give up trying to come, turning back boats, mandatory detention and refugee camps in neighboring islands of Nauru,etc
Well, yeah. The detail is that Australia's policy is to not accept any people arriving illegally. These people have been deemed refugees though. Its a one off policy. Of course its a deterrent, no one is saying otherwise.

What we were seeing though, is thousands of people arriving, undocumented and having to be processed at the cost of around $3billion a year. Then, being found they're economic or not genuine refugees, so sent back. More importantly, people were getting on shoddy boats, giving their life savings and dying at sea. This is not a good system.

What Australia has done, is increase its refugee program. I am much more comfortable with this. Refugees are welcome, we are a nation of 24 million people - so - the amount of refugees we take need to be supported.. (What we do not want to see kids on boats, being smashed up against rocks again).


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They use the Navy to intercept and return boats carrying asylum-seekers to countries like Indonesia, and Sri Lanka. Those who do reach Australian territory are sent to privately run detention centers on Pacific island states like Nauru, where conditions are poor.

Of course Unlike Europe and America, Australia has not witnessed the rise of populist/extreme-right-wing political figures with any serious chances of winning
Boats are returned, if intercepted, yes. That is not being in control of "Immigration" as was asserted.

The Australian government has been working with Indonesia to assist with the issue of illegal immigration there. The detention centers in Nauru, are not a long term solution, no.

Our political system does not really allow for fringe parties to gain significant power, no.They might pick up a few seats, but no... they have no real chance of forming government and that goes for both sides of politics. We seem to prefer centrist politics.
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Old 12-13-2016, 03:15 PM
 
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Interesting topic, sort of throws off the perception I had of Australia. Always figured them to be more liberal on almost everything compared to the USA. He fee Aussies I run into in the states seem far more liberal in general. Could be a sample size too small and the older someone gets the less chance they might move to the USA.
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Old 12-13-2016, 03:15 PM
 
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Maybe it is just because I watch Clarke and Dawe videos on youtube, but I do think Australia is condemned for its immigration policy.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcbEjw4PBzE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOI_skq5TuM

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Old 12-13-2016, 03:16 PM
 
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^^ of course we are. Every other week, the UN is making a comment and condemning Australia.

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Interesting topic, sort of throws off the perception I had of Australia. Always figured them to be more liberal on almost everything compared to the USA. He fee Aussies I run into in the states seem far more liberal in general. Could be a sample size too small and the older someone gets the less chance they might move to the USA.
I'd say, Australians are mostly liberal. Our politicians are very much less 'liberal' though. And not many Australians care much about politics.
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Old 12-13-2016, 04:23 PM
 
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Repubs don't want to restrict immigration to embrace socialism, or any liberal policies for that matter. Let’s not kid ourselves. So no need to ever bring up Sweden, Denmark, or Norway in support of your arguments against immigration.

Anti-immigration repubs will never get the vote of liberals who are all for capping immigration more tightly until said repubs start embracing progressive stances on other issues – energy, education, healthcare, labor, transportation, etc. etc. – which they will never do.
Are you saying that Dems are just holding the immigration issues hostage until Republicans join their party? That makes no sense.
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Old 12-13-2016, 05:25 PM
 
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We are condemned pretty much every week by the UN, Amersty international , and seemingly every left wing organisation in existence for the policy about illegal immigrants.

I live near the hospital these people are taken if they become seriously ill. Their are protests at the hospital demanding their release all the time
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Old 12-13-2016, 05:34 PM
 
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We are condemned pretty much every week by the UN, Amersty international , and seemingly every left wing organisation in existence for the policy about illegal immigrants.

I live near the hospital these people are taken if they become seriously ill. Their are protests at the hospital demanding their release all the time
Wow, global shaming. How ridiculous.

You're lucky to be living in a country where you have standards about who you're allowing to enter.
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Old 12-13-2016, 07:17 PM
 
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We are condemned pretty much every week by the UN, Amersty international , and seemingly every left wing organisation in existence for the policy about illegal immigrants.

I live near the hospital these people are taken if they become seriously ill. Their are protests at the hospital demanding their release all the time
What are they protesting? That the refugees/illegals are getting free healthcare or that they're not getting deported? In the US the people at the hospital protesting would be labeled as racists by the lefties.
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Old 12-13-2016, 08:05 PM
 
Location: Brisbane
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What are they protesting? That the refugees/illegals are getting free healthcare or that they're not getting deported? In the US the people at the hospital protesting would be labeled as racists by the lefties.
They they should have the right to stay in Australia (and be entitled to free health care) of course. If the opposite were true it would be major news headlines.
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