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You can only live a vegan lifestyle because a farmer in the country is growing food which is shipped to you by a combination of rail and truck. Just saying.
Your cherries from South America skew the carbon statistics of Seattle. All you did was outsource your carbon footprint to a poor country. Never mind the ecological disasters associates with maritime shipping. They are some of the largest polluters on the planet.
In general, people who live in dense city environments don't have greenhouses. It takes a few acres of good land to grow food for each human. As technology advances we might someday have huge skyscraper gardens. For now, thank a flyover state you can live your lifestyle.
I only pointed out that Seattle was low relative to other cities and you responses with a statistic. I'm simply pointing out that Seattle outsources it's trash and doesn't recycle all that much compared to many comparable cities.
The point is the flyover states are not the only source for food and if one looks at satellite views of Seattle, a lot of farmland surrounds it, allowing for a lot of locally grown foods in addition to suburbs that have acre sized lots. I'm wondering if any of the produce comes from the middle of the country at all. As for recycling, Seattle recycles almost 60%. There are cities that do more but they are also blue cities, which still supports the point that urban residents believe in climate change and supporting the environment. It's not an "either or".
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Originally Posted by ohhwanderlust
SF Bay Area.
Local agriculture is big here.
Totally agree. I remember driving around the Scotts Valley area and seeing avocados at 5 or 7 for a dollar just last year. Growing food locally is really common in metro areas.
I'm not a climate alarmist at all, but I disagree with the premise of this thread. In fact, city living is less ecologically damaging than suburban & rural living.
That's correct. You have to think of it on a per capita basis. How many miles does each person drive per day in a rural area vs an urban area?
The point is the flyover states are not the only source for food and if one looks at satellite views of Seattle, a lot of farmland surrounds it, allowing for a lot of locally grown foods in addition to suburbs that have acre sized lots. I'm wondering if any of the produce comes from the middle of the country at all. As for recycling, Seattle recycles almost 60%. There are cities that do more but they are also blue cities, which still supports the point that urban residents believe in climate change and supporting the environment. It's not an "either or".
Did you read the report I posted from UC Berkeley?
Read it. Read the others just like it from the DOE and other agencies. Dense, urban areas are no less harmful to the environment than all them "dumb hicks" in flyover country. That's part of the elitist attitude I spoke of.
Did you read the report I posted from UC Berkeley?
Read it. Read the others just like it from the DOE and other agencies. Dense, urban areas are no less harmful to the environment than all them "dumb hicks" in flyover country. That's part of the elitist attitude I spoke of.
They are certainly no more harmful and they live their beliefs. Choosing to live in a metro where there are high paying jobs, recycling, buying local and supporting the preservation of the beauty that surrounds them are not contradictory goals. That is the point.
They are certainly no more harmful and they live their beliefs. Choosing to live in a metro where there are high paying jobs, recycling, buying local and supporting the preservation of the beauty that surrounds them are not contradictory goals. That is the point.
There are some within the scientific community who think otherwise. Factor in the urban heat island index and the logistics of transporting goods and services and there is a small tilt to farmer John.
I personally don't care where anyone lives. Turn out your lights and walk when you can and you're a good human in my book.
1. Farmer John driving one hour and covering 70 miles in his super duty diesel with DEF.
2. Urban Eddie commuting 20 miles one way from the East Bay to San Fran in a newer car.
What does Farmer John think of protecting the environment? Does he want to kill the EPA and all that goes with it? Does he cheer loudly at the announcement that a federal law has been enacted that prevents a city from voting against fracking? Does Farmer John want national parks to be abolished so everything can be privatized? Does Farmer John think mass transportation is socialism and therefore evil? The point is, urban dwellers overwhelmingly vote for the protection of their environment. They do not consider urban living contradictory at all.
What does Farmer John think of protecting the environment? Does he want to kill the EPA and all that goes with it? Does he cheer loudly at the announcement that a federal law has been enacted that prevents a city from voting against fracking? Does Farmer John want national parks to be abolished so everything can be privatized? Does Farmer John think mass transportation is socialism and therefore evil? The point is, urban dwellers overwhelmingly vote for the protection of their environment. They do not consider urban living contradictory at all.
Farmer John earns his living from the environment and thinks elitist EPA types who never spent a day with boots on the ground and who would die without their organic soy, fair trade certified double latte don't know **** from shinola about the environment.
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