Hardcore climate change supporters, why do most of you choose to live in concrete jungles? (elect, state)
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Farmer John earns his living from the environment and thinks elitist EPA types who never spent a day with boots on the ground and who would die without their organic soy, fair trade certified double latte don't know **** from shinola about the environment.
Except that is not true AT ALL. With a relative that works for the EPA (looking to make a change with Trump's election), they are literally in the dirt taking samples all the time. The EPA is divided into I believe ten districts and those workers have to drive across entire states within those districts taking samples all the time, measuring pesticides and such. Those workers achieved biology degrees (often after serving in the military including the Iraq War) and want the farmers to be successful while also not growing toxic food.
Farmer John may call his customers elitist because they like food that doesn't make them sick but it just motivates the urban dweller to work harder to grow their food locally because they can no longer trust Farmer John since his goals are entirely financially motivated when the urban dweller is trying to eat healthy. In truth, Farmer John abolishes the EPA at his own peril but it may take time for him to realize that.
Those urban dwellers really do believe in preserving the environment and they live those values, just as the links posted have shown.
I find the hypocrisy really telling among hardcore climate change supporters. Most seem to choose to live in massive concrete jungles, yet they whine to the rest of the country about how we are killing our planet.
Isn't choosing to live in one of these massive concrete jungles the same as shopping at Wal-Mart daily, while protesting against big box stores for killing small business?
First of all - climate change isn't a religion that one "believes in" - it's a scientific theory supported by scientific evidence (mountains of evidence).
The fact that you don't "support" it doesn't change any of the above. You're free to ignore science and scientifically-tested theories supported by data - but that's your prerogative. People can choose to "believe" that the world is flat - go ahead, it's your right to believe whatever you want - but, again, that doesn't change what the data is telling us.
However, you're being a giant hypocrite if you selectively choose to "believe" some well-supported scientific theories, but "reject" other well-supported scientific theories. You don't get to choose - you either reject it all (and you live in your fantasy world) or you accept the reality that science bores out.
Secondly, as stated I think in the very first reply, urban living is just far more sustainable, needs less overall consumption, and is less damaging to the world as a whole. I use less resources - I drive less (if at all - I can walk to satisfy all of my daily errands) and I live in an apartment instead of a sprawling single family home. The overall energy needed to sustain my life is lower than it would be if I lived in the suburbs.
By living with less space, cities preserve more of the open space in the world - instead of building 1,000 single family houses to house 1,000, 1,000 families can live in a city in a much smaller space. And because their housing units can be built compactly, they don't necesarilly need to drive everywhere to satisfy their daily needs (food, work, play, etc.), and need less energy to power their homes (less energy, and overall carbon footprint).
It's really fairly simple.
Last edited by HockeyMac18; 12-14-2016 at 04:24 PM..
Hey Seacove whats your position on water? You know that the bay area rapes the environment getting a drink right?
My position is Seattle water is delicious right out of the tap.
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I don't know about Bay Area water, I don't live there, but California has been suffering a drought for years. My guess is Northern California is in a better position than Southern California but that's about it.
My position is Seattle water is delicious right out of the tap.
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I don't know about Bay Area water, I don't live there, but California has been suffering a drought for years. My guess is Northern California is in a better position than Southern California but that's about it.
opps wrong person but same questions... you know where that water comes from? You know how many dams in the Ceder river and Tolt river water sheds? My point is that those wonderful urban centers rely on an altered environment to survive. How does that effect climate change? Dams destroyed forests, rivers, fisheries etc. etc. has to be an effect.....
opps wrong person but same questions... you know where that water comes from? You know how many dams in the Ceder river and Tolt river water sheds? My point is that those wonderful urban centers rely on an altered environment to survive. How does that effect climate change? Dams destroyed forests, rivers, fisheries etc. etc. has to be an effect.....
We use water very effectively; Snoqualmie Falls generates electricity. The point is, urban centers can and do choose to support the environment, it is not an "either or"
If you want to discuss people who work hard and support the environment you need to discuss farmers and ranchers. The ones who make it possible for urban types to pretend they are somehow special.
You know, I keep hearing how people in urban centers need to 'get to know' those in rural America.
But from what I can see - rural America has NO interest in learning anything about their urban neighbors. Their insecurity leads them to flat out despise urban dwellers - no matter how hard they work.
Huge meat farms are harmful to the environment too.
You know, I keep hearing how people in urban centers need to 'get to know' those in rural America.
But from what I can see - rural America has NO interest in learning anything about their urban neighbors. Their insecurity leads them to flat out despise urban dwellers - no matter how hard they work.
Huge meat farms are harmful to the environment too.
This is so true. Read these threads and it's so obvious. So much proof that urban dwellers work to support the environment and the response is just more name calling.
We use water very effectively; Snoqualmie Falls generates electricity. The point is, urban centers can and do choose to support the environment, it is not an "either or"
yea 90% of your electricity comes from hydro Ask the Native Americans and the Salmon population how they feel about that. Again my point is Urban people shouldn't look down at thier country cousins you folks are hard on the planet too.....
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