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Mmmm.... no offense, but were you sick the day they taught the Constitution in law school? You're seriously OK with police officers killing an occasional suspect because the prisons are too full? You really want to live in an America where the police are encouraged to beat suspects on the way to jail badly enough that some of them die?
You have to be joking. Please tell me you don't practice criminal law. I'm just shocked to read this from an attorney.
lol i mean criminals in usa know more about law these days then police or judges. i mean they do things that know it will not get them any reprocutions so they keep doing same thing just sometimes if they would get a baton over their back they would stop because believe it or not since middle ages force always wore and will be deterent to people who want to use force agaist what they think is weak person or easy to controll
lol i mean criminals in usa know more about law these days then police or judges. i mean they do things that know it will not get them any reprocutions so they keep doing same thing just sometimes if they would get a baton over their back they would stop because believe it or not since middle ages force always wore and will be deterent to people who want to use force agaist what they think is weak person or easy to controll
Years ago, when a car I was riding in was pulled over by police, they suspected drugs were in the car...they intimidated and threatened the driver into allowing them to search...the driver stood their ground though and refused...
The scariest part about this incident was police making fun of a citizen for exercising a right (permission to search the car), and the fact police ASSUMED guilt right off the bat!!!
No. And that was hardly just "rough and tumble." Chauvin and Floyd had an unrelated commercial dispute that could not possibly be resolved in a legal manner.
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This attitude of protecting the "rights" of those who live outside the rules of society, those who have no issue with causing injury or death to innocent people, those who don't care at all about the rights of others, is causing a rapid increase in violent crime and causing many, many people to live in fear. Obviously you don't give a damn about the increasing numbers of victims or those who's lives are impacted by fear.
It's really very simple. Live and act in a civil manner and you have the protections of a civil society. Live and act like a violent criminal and you should expect to be treated like a violent criminal without the protections of a civil society.
As for not having prison space, don't put non violent drug users in prison and suddenly there will be empty cells everywhere.
It's not just about protecting rights, it's also about police powers.
The police must be accountable for their actions, and must operate within the law.
If the police themselves don't uphold laws then they become no better than the criminals, and equally as frightening.
In terms of prison, it should be humane, rather than inhumane.
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Nice words, but what if the people involved want no part of being humane themselves or part of any "decent society." If someone acts feral why shouldn't they be treated in the manner they act. You get what you give.
If a country mistreats it's prisoners then it is merely a reflection of that nation itself, which is something Churchill pointed out as Home Secretary back in 1910.
As for the police, by allowing violence and corruption you make them no better than the criminals, and in societies where the police are unaccountable people are often more frightened of the police than the criminal fraternity.
You let the police administer their own justice, and hold them above the law, then you are on a very slippery slope.
The police should always adhere to the Nine Peelian Principles of Policing.
“We must not forget that when every material improvement has been effected in prisons, when the temperature has been rightly adjusted, when the proper food to maintain health and strength has been given, when the doctors, chaplains and prison visitors have come and gone, the convict stands deprived of everything that a free man calls life. We must not forget that all these improvements, which are sometimes salves to our consciences, do not change that position.
The mood and temper of the public in regard to the treatment of crime and criminals is one of the most unfailing tests of the civilisation of any country. A calm and dispassionate recognition of the rights of the accused against the state and even of convicted criminals against the state, a constant heart-searching by all charged with the duty of punishment, a desire and eagerness to rehabilitate in the world of industry of all those who have paid their dues in the hard coinage of punishment, tireless efforts towards the discovery of curative and regenerating processes and an unfaltering faith that there is a treasure, if only you can find it in the heart of every person – these are the symbols which in the treatment of crime and criminals mark and measure the stored up strength of a nation, and are the sign and proof of the living virtue in it.”
Winston Churchill
House of Commons speech, given as Home Secretary, July 20, 1910
The police must treat all suspects with respect, there is a presumption of innocence until proved guilty before a Court of Law and it is not for the police or others to take the law in to their own hands. I also wouldn't call killing someone rough and tumble.
Even those convicted should be treated humanely in any decent society.
Agreed but it's a pretty tough pill to swallow when we have to treat some of these convicted individuals humanely. Like school rampage shooters, pedophiles, people that kidnap and torture others for weeks or months....individuals like these should be put down like a sick animal as quickly as possible.
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