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Old 12-21-2016, 07:40 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Trump is going to clean out the garbage in the justice department, state department, treasury department, CIA, pentagon, etc.

They are filled with career civil servants who are liberal democrooks and left-leaning lunatics.

Most of them can't be fired, but they can be sidelined while competent people take over their jobs.

All of these agencies are bloated with fat and could be run with 1/10th the number of people in them.
Yeah that makes sense, he is going to hire more career civil service because he doesn't like some of the present employees? Will he do the same for their managers, create entire mirror offices.


My guess is that he is all bluster, the civil service system certainly needs reform but just hiring more people will accomplish nothing. They can't fire people that aren't doing their job now, address that if he wants to impress.

 
Old 12-21-2016, 07:45 AM
 
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Yeah that makes sense, he is going to hire more career civil service because he doesn't like some of the present employees? Will he do the same for their managers, create entire mirror offices.


My guess is that he is all bluster, the civil service system certainly needs reform but just hiring more people will accomplish nothing. They can't fire people that aren't doing their job now, address that if he wants to impress.
If they can't fire people, then I don't know how you insert competent people without sidelining the incompetent ones and replacing them.

But maybe you have some suggestions....

One possibility. Just create whole new departments and close the existing ones. I'm sure they've gotten rid of quite a few departments in the past. Once your department is gone, you're out.

Sounds good to me.

Another solution: Trump's appointees know who the good people are and will assign them to do the real work while the rest are put in back offices to shuffle paper around.
 
Old 12-21-2016, 07:54 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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If they can't fire people, then I don't know how you insert competent people without sidelining the incompetent ones and replacing them.

But maybe you have some suggestions....
Reform the civil service system so they can actually hold people responsible. A large majority of federal workers are hard working but there are too many protections for incompetent or lazy people. Take away hundreds of federal unions or at least let them fund themselves rather than taxpayers.




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Old 12-21-2016, 08:00 AM
 
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An unusually high number of junior-level civil servants in the U.S. National Security Council are looking for other jobs over concerns about President-elect Donald Trump’s choice for national security adviser, Michael T. Flynn, according to current and former officials who spoke with The Guardian.

Report: NSC Facing Staff Exodus Over Michael Flynn
Flynn is more than ten years younger than the average NSC staff member. They're not quite the junior-level one would expect in the private sector outside of defense contracting. It's not uncommon to work in an office where most every analyst would be considered retirement age or much older.
 
Old 12-21-2016, 08:07 AM
 
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demonstrates early national security gaffe - and portends things to come - amateurs at work.
So, nothing....that flynn had anything to do with....
 
Old 12-21-2016, 08:17 AM
 
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Reform the civil service system so they can actually hold people responsible. A large majority of federal workers are hard working but there are too many protections for incompetent or lazy people. Take away hundreds of federal unions or at least let them fund themselves rather than taxpayers.




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Sounds good to me.

I don't think the courts would let it happen, though.
 
Old 12-21-2016, 08:36 AM
 
Location: Tampa, FL
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So, nothing....that flynn had anything to do with....
I'm assuming he's got Trump's ear before Trump starts spouting off to China.

Are you saying Trump is free-wheeling this as usual?

Even more alarming.
 
Old 12-21-2016, 09:14 AM
 
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everybody wants to cut govt until its a job in their district...or its a service that they need. frankly, i hope trump does cut it..sick of the welfare southern states living off of the tax largesse of the urban enclaves...
This...I wish they stopped looking at the military as a jobs program to bump up failing local economies...We could probably slash tons from the budget if they made a missile in one spot instead of servicing parts from ten different locations to placate some pork for some Congressman.
 
Old 12-21-2016, 12:32 PM
 
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I would say it's more like when an NFL team fires a coach and promotes a very good defensive coordinator to his position, just because you excelled at as a defensive coach doesn't mean you were cut out to be head coach.


Same with Flynn, from the comments I have seen from Petraeus and others praising Flynn was a security analyst but that doesn't mean he belongs in charged of anything. You cannot dismiss his crazy comments and history, he also seems to have a vendetta against the CIA, he should not be in charge of the NSA and KT McFarland doesn't belong their either.
You didnt mention his private security ties to Turkey he failed to reveal or the relationship w Russia

The duplicitous nature of Trump and his cadre is flaming in front of everone's eyes
He would have shot Clinton down in flames if Podesta had the same trashy history dogging his coattails like Flynn and some others have
But he has a different standard applied to his behavior and his aides'

Listening to new biography "Hitler:the Assent" for Trump's doppleganger

And the trial Hitler went through when he and his buddies tried a putsch (overthrow) of the government in '23 I think showed that the judge and legal system had too much sympathy for Hitler to apply the law fairly--he got a slap on the wrist and favored treatment in Lansdowne prison..
I imagine the consequences of Trump's egregiously bad policies snd behavior on his and his cadre's part would have to be really really bad...maybe worse than 9/11...for them to be held accountable...
 
Old 12-21-2016, 12:49 PM
 
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You didnt mention his private security ties to Turkey he failed to reveal or the relationship w Russia

The duplicitous nature of Trump and his cadre is flaming in front of everone's eyes
He would have shot Clinton down in flames if Podesta had the same trashy history dogging his coattails like Flynn and some others have
But he has a different standard applied to his behavior and his aides'

Listening to new biography "Hitler:the Assent" for Trump's doppleganger

And the trial Hitler went through when he and his buddies tried a putsch (overthrow) of the government in '23 I think showed that the judge and legal system had too much sympathy for Hitler to apply the law fairly--he got a slap on the wrist and favored treatment in Lansdowne prison..
I imagine the consequences of Trump's egregiously bad policies snd behavior on his and his cadre's part would have to be really really bad...maybe worse than 9/11...for them to be held accountable...
We will see how his policies turn out, most of his selections are decent but these picks at NSA are a real lemons. KT McFarland is another one, hasn't done anything since the Reagan administration when she was a speech writer for Caspar Weinberger. Since then she has been a Fox News contributor as an "Intelligence Expert" which basically amounted to just stating that everything Obama did was wrong.
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