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Old 01-02-2017, 08:50 PM
 
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Get used to it. We're going to call it as soon as we see it. Can't count on you guys to keep em honest.
Apparently, the American people are being authoritatively instructed to 'Pay No Attention To That Man Behind The Curtain'.

Not. Happening.

He can cower behind whatever curtain, fence, faux-wall, et cetera - he can run but he can't hide. I mean really, who's he kidding?
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Old 01-02-2017, 08:53 PM
 
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Just what we needed, the 20th thread about this.

This is already a settled issue.

And, you lost, get over it.
These authoritarian followers are something else.
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Old 01-02-2017, 11:13 PM
 
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Just what we needed, the 20th thread about this.

This is already a settled issue.

And, you lost, get over it.
An enormous amount of Americans and others worldwide cannot help being appalled by this mess. It's really not about simply "winning" or "losing" our choice. He is not just some, non-preferred candidate that would be tolerated. He is an unbearingly offensive, unqualified, childish, unknowledgeable person who by means of who knows what, has gotten this far. Just because some cannot see any of this, doesn't mean it is not the case.

Just wait until your leader attempts (or doesn't) to "make things great".. ..if he even gets that far.
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Old 01-02-2017, 11:32 PM
 
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Do you know that Obama is president?

Just when you think these wacky dem threads can't get any more ridiculous, someone ups the nonsense.
Did you know that Obama has nothing to do at ALL with that? He LITERALLY has no voice in it. Its the GOP who owns that. This wasn't a bill that Obama could veto.

Just when you think those wacky Republican responses can't get more ridiculous, someone ups the nonsense.
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Old 01-02-2017, 11:42 PM
 
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Sure he could. The Republicans are all about we-won-you-lost-ha-ha-ha. They aren't going to rein him in.

Since he knows more than anyone else, sooner or later he'll make a colossal blunder and bring them all down.
Hope so.
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Old 01-02-2017, 11:44 PM
 
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Hope so.
Nah. When the chips are down, they will turn on him, and expect everyone to thank them for saving them from him.

I might be a tad jaded. But I bet I am right.
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Old 01-03-2017, 12:39 AM
 
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Facts showing that Trump is a medical miracle---two-faced and able to talk out of both sides at once... In other words, he will say anything to win an election or make a deal...
Even suck uo to those "oh-so-bad" Chinese...
Just to throw this in...the guy is a "Gemini" (sign of "the twins"), which can appear to others as two personalities or even four. Though many do not believe in Astrology, which is fine, it seems to fit...his changeability, how he says one thing, then the other. How he will even appear outwardly to be one character, then another. (I have known a couple of people with their Moon in Gemini who would regularly not recall having said something they had said or did recently or physically act like a different personality, which is why I mention). He has other aspects in his "natal chart" which explains his need for constant attention and approval, but it goes so far with him.

No matter if it is his chart coupled with how he was raised to become this sociopathic, megalomaniacal freak...we are in for trouble. (And his worshippers will find out).
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Old 01-03-2017, 01:36 AM
 
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Rachel Maddow recently cornered Kellyann Conway with how folks can now funnel money to Trump via his various businesses. Ms. Conway usual deflections didn't actually work. But she gave it a good go.

Regardless of who Trump appoints to run his businesses, the money eventually comes to him.

The only way out of this ethical quagmire is to sell his businesses and put the funds in federal bonds or ??? where he doesn't make a profit from the things he tweets, supports... as president.



Since Trump is the first of perhaps many non-politician presidents that will hold office in the decades to come, and since success in the private sector will likely be common to such non-politician presidents, the wisdom of the voters in deciding that their next president, and those that will follow, though wealthy, can and should be trusted to keep personal finances from influencing decisions made while in office ought to be respected.


Next time, run a better candidate.


The House and Senate were not likely to flip in 2016, and since Americans generally prefer divided government, Democrats should have won the White House, if only to avoid one party rule.


That didn't happen and Democrats have only themselves to blame.


To be sure, the voters see the desperate hypocrisy of Democrats attempting to blur the lines between legal and ethical business affairs of a wealthy individual elected to the presidency and the documented quid pro quo of the indefensible Clinton crime family.


Obviously, Democrats still haven't realized and accepted that they have gone politically astray.
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Old 01-03-2017, 05:47 AM
 
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My gut feeling is the President-elect has largely underestimated the American people. He doesn't appear to know what we're made of, or something equally mistaken, misinformed, or just plain wrong.

He needs to 'up his game' when it comes to being trustworthy for one thing, preferably with something substantive. He's a practiced Con Artist & should know how important the 'gaining CON-fidence' part is. He doesn't have the option of 'running out of town' before anyone catches on.

Also needs to up his game re: competency in running a first-rate Country. This isn't selling a 'brand' with no investment, it involves real work.

& on second thought, maybe he does have the option of running out of town?

Personally, I don't care if he does, just step up to the plate & don't f*ck it up. & don't continue to underestimate the American people. We can & will surprise a 'player' like Trump.
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Old 01-03-2017, 06:29 AM
 
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A foretaste of life after Trump becomes president---

http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/02/wo...sung.html?_r=0
South Korea's current political scandal re the president compromising her ethics in office...

But don't know that his problems will ever really bring down the government---
Too many people who have the power for oversight will be too busy sharpening their swords to use against the Democratic Party and the American people in general---cutting Social Security and health care programs, enriching the 1%, killing public education and other social programs that support equality and minority rights.
Just like to point out that I posted this before the GOP's attempt to gut the ethics panel was made yesterday---
So it seems I was somewhat prescient about the GOP's ability and need to control how they "investigate" corruption/ethics problems....
What their reaction would have been if Clinton was elected and tried the same thing--I think we can all guess it would have been challenged, ridiculed, and soundly criticized as preparing for a cover-up....
Just more hyprocracy in action from one of the most anti-democratic group of elected officials in our history...

These GOP officials and Trump are really a match made in heaven because they both have no ethics--
Don't pretend to have any really since Donald has promised w/o proof to take steps to separate his business interests from his Presidency....even bragged about being able to shoot someone in Times Square and get away with it because he is so popular...
Gee...that is really the kind of person you want running your country if you are as greedy, unprincipled, and self-centered as he is...

I doubt that Ryan will veto this out of the overall bill since he cut out the recent example of truly self-centered GOP action--the return of "earmarks" was stopped after being added in November...
Ryan's comment then was that they had just won an election to "drain the swamp" and allowing the use of earmarks was in direct contradiction to that attitude...Ryan supposedly said this step wasn't needed but his office has supported it---so lip service likely will give in to practicality....

Everyone here with any interest in history should read or get the Audible version of recent biography of Adolph Hitler called "Hitler: Assent 1889-1930" by German writer Volker Ullrich....covers the early life and beginning of Hitler's rise to power under the National Socialist Party in post WWI Germany....
I am listening to the Audible version and find it very interesting...the narrator has good voice quality, good phrasing although I must admit the many acronyms for the political parties and some of the names are difficult to remember---many people involved, many researched points of evidence given---and so many times I stop the thread to post a note about how Hitler's personality, behavior, attitude shares commonality with Trump's.
It is very scary how many ways what unfolded in Germany (which did not have a long history of democratic government like America) resembles what is going on now...
Especially considering this latest GOP push to prevent any real ethical investigation into malfeasance---
Just taking the power they have even more firmly in their hands and preventing any criticism or threat...

This is scary people---
And just because America has had a democratic government for over 200 years doesn't mean it HAS to continue...
Two quotes---

Jordan Maxwell, author of "Symbols, Sex, and the Stars in Popular Beliefs":
Ignorance and its denial will, sad to say, lead us down the same road as it did in all past history"....

Hannah Arendt, "The Origins of Totalitarianism":
Totalitarian solutions may well survive the fall of totalitarian regimes in the form of strong temptations which will come up whenever it seems impossible to alleviate political, social, or economic misery in a manner worthy of man"....
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