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Old 12-24-2016, 03:35 PM
 
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How long before the UN or UN security council declare healthcare state of emergency? By the year 2050 healthcare cost is to be higher than all of the GDP!! And there will not be enough doctors and nurses to care for old sick people.

Many people have no family doctor, hospitals have no beds, month for CT scan, month or two for a MRI, two or three month for specialist or surgeon!! If it is minor 4 to 7 month for specialist or surgeon!!! And 6 to 8 hour ER wait times.

How long before UN or UN security council declare healthcare state of emergency? The healthcare cost is out of control run way train and major shortage of doctors, specialists, surgeons.

At least some parts of world like in say Florida ER wait times are under a hour. But I know people in New York and Chicago that spent like 5 to 7 hours in the ER!!

UK healthcare and Canada healthcare is beyond laughable. The UK has one of the lowest cancer survival rates in for first world country.

There are people in Canada waiting month or two for after they got the big c word being cancer!!

There people have broken the knee or hip have to fight with the surgeons to have surgery done. Getting knee or hip surgery wait time is well over 6 month ending any career of anyone in say a sports person or athlete.

There are people that have to wait month or two to remove kidney stones.

How long can healthcare go on like this?
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Old 12-24-2016, 04:10 PM
 
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Uhm.... Healthcare in this country is far from an emergency that needs some world organization to intervene. There are places in the world where life expectancy is below 50, where no one has access to a doctor regardless of cost, where it is still common for women and children to die in childbirth, and where others die from some disease but no one knows what because they have never had a single diagnostic test in their life. There are no ERs to wait in.

We have 1st world problems, not anything that requires assistance from other countries.
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Old 12-25-2016, 03:56 PM
 
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Uhm.... Healthcare in this country is far from an emergency that needs some world organization to intervene. There are places in the world where life expectancy is below 50, where no one has access to a doctor regardless of cost, where it is still common for women and children to die in childbirth, and where others die from some disease but no one knows what because they have never had a single diagnostic test in their life. There are no ERs to wait in.

We have 1st world problems, not anything that requires assistance from other countries.
I think Healthcare is getting bad in ALL COUNTRIES in world both universal health care, mixed universal care health and non universal health care.

There no research or study why health care is getting so bad and really costly every year!!! And why the media and government full of major corruption of not talking about the problem.

I known people in UK and Canada that had broken ankle in 80's and 90's that waited no more than hour in ER. Now I here stories of people waiting 6 to 8 hours in ER some cases even more.

It like the media and government does not want people to know how bad the health care is getting every year.
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Old 12-25-2016, 03:59 PM
 
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How long before the UN or UN security council declare healthcare state of emergency? By the year 2050 healthcare cost is to be higher than all of the GDP!! And there will not be enough doctors and nurses to care for old sick people.

Many people have no family doctor, hospitals have no beds, month for CT scan, month or two for a MRI, two or three month for specialist or surgeon!! If it is minor 4 to 7 month for specialist or surgeon!!! And 6 to 8 hour ER wait times.

How long before UN or UN security council declare healthcare state of emergency? The healthcare cost is out of control run way train and major shortage of doctors, specialists, surgeons.

At least some parts of world like in say Florida ER wait times are under a hour. But I know people in New York and Chicago that spent like 5 to 7 hours in the ER!!

UK healthcare and Canada healthcare is beyond laughable. The UK has one of the lowest cancer survival rates in for first world country.

There are people in Canada waiting month or two for after they got the big c word being cancer!!

There people have broken the knee or hip have to fight with the surgeons to have surgery done. Getting knee or hip surgery wait time is well over 6 month ending any career of anyone in say a sports person or athlete.

There are people that have to wait month or two to remove kidney stones.

How long can healthcare go on like this?
What country or countries are you talking about?
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Old 12-25-2016, 04:02 PM
 
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I think Healthcare is getting bad in ALL COUNTRIES in world both universal health care, mixed universal care health and non universal health care.

There no research or study why health care is getting so bad and really costly every year!!! And why the media and government full of major corruption of not talking about the problem.

I known people in UK and Canada that had broken ankle in 80's and 90's that waited no more than hour in ER. Now I here stories of people waiting 6 to 8 hours in ER some cases even more.

It like the media and government does not want people to know how bad the health care is getting every year.
IDK about your country, but the bolded isn't true in the US. It's quite clear why health care costs are rising; more doctors are creating for-profit specialty clinics to milk the insurance cash cow. Pharma companies are over-charging by triple and quadruple the original price for drugs, simply because they can. The causes for skyrocketing costs are well-known, and are discussed periodically in the media. Maybe in your country, because health care is provided by the gov't, there's a gov't blackout on the topic?
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Old 12-25-2016, 04:41 PM
 
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IDK about your country, but the bolded isn't true in the US. It's quite clear why health care costs are rising; more doctors are creating for-profit specialty clinics to milk the insurance cash cow. Pharma companies are over-charging by triple and quadruple the original price for drugs, simply because they can. The causes for skyrocketing costs are well-known, and are discussed periodically in the media. Maybe in your country, because health care is provided by the gov't, there's a gov't blackout on the topic?
US healthcare is different in different cities and areas. If you live in country, town or small city you may have to drive to bigger city to see specialist or surgeon.

Cities like in north part US like in New York, Boston, Chicago and Detroit have extremely long ER wait times.

The south and places in Florida have really low ER wait times of only 30 minutes to 60 minutes a major contrast of say New York, Boston, Chicago and Detroit and places in northeast US.
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Old 12-25-2016, 04:43 PM
 
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Also normally when doctor in the US orders CT scan or MRI it done the same day or the next day. It not like in UK or Canada when doctor order CT scan or MRI it is done in month or two.
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Old 12-27-2016, 10:28 PM
 
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Also normally when doctor in the US orders CT scan or MRI it done the same day or the next day. It not like in UK or Canada when doctor order CT scan or MRI it is done in month or two.
Those public health care budgets are rationing out equipment, that's what's going on, to keep costs down. So people have to line up for weeks to get a turn at the one CT or MRI machine in the whole town or in their half of the city, or something. Medical equipment is very expensive, and hospitals and clinics are faced with the need to update their equipment, when it gets old; like every 10 years or whatever, someone invents a better machine, so clinics have to decide if they're going to spring for the new one, and maybe sell the old one to someone (Mexico, or wherever), or if they'll continue on with the machine they have for another 5 or 10 years.
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Old 12-31-2016, 07:18 PM
 
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Is this what the average ER looks like in the US?


Average ER in US has an average of 15 to 20 people waiting to see doctor?






Why is there long ER wait times in New York, Boston, Chicago and Detroit being average ER wait times being over 5 hours some cases up to 8 hours.
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Old 12-31-2016, 07:45 PM
 
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Those public health care budgets are rationing out equipment, that's what's going on, to keep costs down. So people have to line up for weeks to get a turn at the one CT or MRI machine in the whole town or in their half of the city, or something. Medical equipment is very expensive, and hospitals and clinics are faced with the need to update their equipment, when it gets old; like every 10 years or whatever, someone invents a better machine, so clinics have to decide if they're going to spring for the new one, and maybe sell the old one to someone (Mexico, or wherever), or if they'll continue on with the machine they have for another 5 or 10 years.
This is a propaganda myth. 5 Myths About Canadian Health Care - AARP
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