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Old 12-26-2016, 03:04 AM
 
Location: Alaska
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I hope we are.. that would put a stake in it.. done
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Old 12-26-2016, 04:18 AM
 
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If I were an Israeli, I'd give the UN the finger in a heartbeat if that kept the Palestinian radicals from launching more mussiles into my town.
Israel needs to decide: One state or two states? They can't keep taking land from the second state and have two states. If they keep taking the land, they are going to have one state and will have to give equal rights to the Palestinians who will live in Israel.
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Old 12-26-2016, 07:43 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Please explain.





The land does belong to Israel. The Arabs lost it in a war that they started.
Why shouldn't Jews be allowed to live in a Palestinian state?
The west back is so fractured that there is already doubt that a 2 state solution in possible short of removing every illegal settlement.

The UN and every world court disagrees, even the Israeli courts have deemed many of the settlements illegal.




https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.156f1fc81c7e
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Old 12-26-2016, 07:52 AM
 
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Saddam Hussein said "screw the UN" too. However, you right wingers thought UN authority was just dandy. Especially when it gave you the pretext for war.




Bill & Hillary sure liked it too.
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Old 12-26-2016, 09:42 AM
 
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Israel needs to decide: One state or two states? They can't keep taking land from the second state and have two states. If they keep taking the land, they are going to have one state and will have to give equal rights to the Palestinians who will live in Israel.
Israel should declare a single state.
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Old 12-26-2016, 10:24 AM
 
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The west back is so fractured that there is already doubt that a 2 state solution in possible short of removing every illegal settlement.
That's no explanation, you're just repeating yourself. Israel removes settlements all the time if they're considered illegal. Also, Israel could remove every settlement if they felt like it as they did in Gaza in 2005. And look how that ended. Gaza became a launch pad for thousands of missiles being fired into Israel.

So no, the settlements are not an impingement to a Palestinian state unless you feel they should be ethnically cleaned of Jews. And if you're good with that, are you OK if Israel ethnically cleanses Arabs from Israel? Remember, that's 20% of Israel's population.

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The UN and every world court disagrees, even the Israeli courts have deemed many of the settlements illegal.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.156f1fc81c7e
Yep, Israel removes settlements they feel is illegal all the time. This is news to you?

As for the UN and world courts, that's unfortunate, but meaningless really. The UN or anybody else do nothing to protect Israel from Palestinian terrorists. Only Israel has Israel's best interests in mind. Pulling completely out of Gaza has created nothing but war because the Palestinians have refused to be good neighbors. Turning the WB into another Gaza would be an exceedingly bad idea.
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Old 12-26-2016, 10:41 AM
 
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That's no explanation, you're just repeating yourself. Israel removes settlements all the time if they're considered illegal. Also, Israel could remove every settlement if they felt like it as they did in Gaza in 2005. And look how that ended. Gaza became a launch pad for thousands of missiles being fired into Israel.

So no, the settlements are not an impingement to a Palestinian state unless you feel they should be ethnically cleaned of Jews. And if you're good with that, are you OK if Israel ethnically cleanses Arabs from Israel? Remember, that's 20% of Israel's population.

Yep, Israel removes settlements they feel is illegal all the time. This is news to you?

As for the UN and world courts, that's unfortunate, but meaningless really. The UN or anybody else do nothing to protect Israel from Palestinian terrorists. Only Israel has Israel's best interests in mind. Pulling completely out of Gaza has created nothing but war because the Palestinians have refused to be good neighbors. Turning the WB into another Gaza would be an exceedingly bad idea.
How they determine what is a legal settlement and what is not is a rather strange dance that the Israeli Courts perform, if you have the answer to how they decide this strange process I would like to hear it. If you don't believe these settlements destroy a two state solution then you are in oppositon to every president for the last 50 years. Israel's continuation down this road will not end well with it's arab neighbors.


Israels disregard for world opinion, some quite liberal and moderate is unfortunate, they are slowy becoming an Island. Their present overreation to this resolution doesn't help their status one bit. Trump has some great plans for Israel we will see how that turns out.
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Old 12-26-2016, 10:51 AM
 
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Israels disregard for world opinion, some quite liberal and moderate is unfortunate, they are slowy becoming an Island.
Tell me how "world opinion" helped them when the missiles started raining down from Gaza after they pulled out. Never before in history has the world demanded that land captured in a defensive war must be turned back over to the aggressor. Israel could have and probably should have booted the Arabs out of the area completely when they had the chance.
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Old 12-26-2016, 03:37 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Tell me how "world opinion" helped them when the missiles started raining down from Gaza after they pulled out. Never before in history has the world demanded that land captured in a defensive war must be turned back over to the aggressor. Israel could have and probably should have booted the Arabs out of the area completely when they had the chance.
One has nothing to do with the other. When we defeated Germany and Japan did we populate those countries with settlers? Israel needs to make peace with the surrounding countries, they can brute force the Palestinians and win some battles as they already have and still lose the war. Even it the palestinians left tomorrow they would stilll have to deal with Iran, Syria and Iraq. Force and agression will only result in more bloodshed.
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Old 12-26-2016, 09:20 PM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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How they determine what is a legal settlement and what is not is a rather strange dance that the Israeli Courts perform, if you have the answer to how they decide this strange process I would like to hear it. ...
They go through a long process(most have lasted decades) looking for deeds. If none are found, then it's put on a list to allow for settlements to be built. Once a settlement is authorized to be built on a parcel of land, they only have to wait a few days for some Arab to claim ownership of that parcel. Then the legal process starts where the Arab needs to come up with some type of proof of ownership or that they worked that parcel of land for generations. It's a pretty long and slow process.

Keep in mind that many of the parcels built on were either purchased by the JNF prior to 1948 or were parts of Jewish towns that existed before 1948. Any Arab that moved onto that land post the Armistice of 1949 is not the legal owner of that land no matter what documentation they put forward. They are squatters and are dealt with as such.
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