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Old 12-25-2016, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Texas
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That is correct. And if anyone thinks conservatives don't also use public transportation, just stand outside the Metra (commuter rail) station closest to Fenwick HS (Catholic) in Oak Park, IL on a school day morning and watch the students from everywhere in the Chicago area disembark.
lol No one said or remotely implied conservatives don't use it. You just made that up. try harder next time, lol

 
Old 12-25-2016, 08:31 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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lol No one said or remotely implied conservatives don't use it. You just made that up. try harder next time, lol
You haven't read the thread.

Look at the thread title.
 
Old 12-25-2016, 08:34 AM
 
Location: Saint Johns, FL
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Hopefully public (bus) transportation totally changes in 5 years. Right now you are forced to a fixed time schedule that might not be to your liking, along a fixed route that probably isn't what you need.

You have to wait out in the elements for it to arrive and you are forced to interact with the lowest people on economic food chain, which means lots of crime, etc.

But there's a solution soon at hand. Autonomous vehicles. Vehicles that you summon to take you from place A to pace B. That will pick you up exactly where you want, and when you want. Will drop you off and then drive themselves to some charging spot to wait their next job. And pick you up when you are ready.

No need to give up your personal security.

Right now most of the autonomous vehicles are regular cars. I'd like to see more of a move to commuter-type vehicles somewhat like the Google self driving car.
 
Old 12-25-2016, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Toronto, ON
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Does public transportation lead to density? Or does density lead to public transportation?
Both.

The key is the system must make sense. You and I know that cities that do it right are the ones that are taking cars off the streets, the ones that are doing it wrong are approaching it as a tourist attraction.

Basically, go big or fail.
 
Old 12-25-2016, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Texas
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You haven't read the thread.
Yes I have. You don't have the ability to understand. That's on you, not me.

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Look at the thread title.
I did. You have a point? Again no one is saying conservatives don't use public transportation, it's been about the cost and efficiency. how in the world do you not understand that? Twisted, agenda driven blinders make it hard to see?
 
Old 12-25-2016, 08:50 AM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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The elephant in the room which hasn't yet been mentioned is that various state legislatures, as well as Congress, raided the Highway Trust Funds for other projects with the promise to pay the borrowing back "later".

"Later" is now.

As a note, the same process was done with pensions and Social Security. "Later" is now for those too.
 
Old 12-25-2016, 09:01 AM
 
Location: Houston
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Hopefully public (bus) transportation totally changes in 5 years. Right now you are forced to a fixed time schedule that might not be to your liking, along a fixed route that probably isn't what you need.

You have to wait out in the elements for it to arrive and you are forced to interact with the lowest people on economic food chain, which means lots of crime, etc.

But there's a solution soon at hand. Autonomous vehicles. Vehicles that you summon to take you from place A to pace B. That will pick you up exactly where you want, and when you want. Will drop you off and then drive themselves to some charging spot to wait their next job. And pick you up when you are ready.

No need to give up your personal security.

Right now most of the autonomous vehicles are regular cars. I'd like to see more of a move to commuter-type vehicles somewhat like the Google self driving car.
We have cabs and Uber now.
 
Old 12-25-2016, 03:58 PM
 
Location: Florida
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If a city wanted to take me off the street, they would succeed by getting me to move somewhere else.
 
Old 12-25-2016, 06:20 PM
 
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If it is done smartly...and with an eye on the fact that most people wanna drive their vehicles to get around.

Buses are the most economical and most flexible form of public transportation.
 
Old 12-25-2016, 06:53 PM
 
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Or the gas tax would have to be raised significantly to cover the costs of roads, bridges and tunnels. I am in favor of users paying the full costs, whether it's be public transportation users or drivers. However, that would have to be coupled with a decrease in general taxes or people won't be able to afford it.

Trucks pay only a fraction of the cost of the damage they do to roads.
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