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Political parties can't Gerrymander until they first win state majority based maps drawn by the other party. You should take lesson from this.
1. Yes they did.
2. Sure they can, hence why many Americans want district lines drawn by nonpartisan or bipartisan groups, some district lines look as if they were drawn by a 2 year old.
President Obama thinks he would have won given the chance to run again.......LOL!
For a president to run a third time is illegal due to an amendment passed by congress. Granted many laws are considered optional but this pesky law seems to have stopped any pursuit of a third term.
So media rhetoric is what we're unfortunately suffering thru in Obama's transition to friendly Trump.
I totally agree the so called "conservative revolution" and the republicans havent done anything about affirmative action ,quotas,immigration ,open borders, illegals, or much of anything really . Thats why they hated Trump, Trump was a Populist and Nationalist, not a cuckservative.
The big question should be what has the democratic party done for the people that voted for them? Highest percentage of Americans on Food Stamps and Medicaid ever?
Millions of lost manufacturing jobs, explosion of part-time jobs without benefits while good middle-class jobs continue to be shipped overseas, 9 Trillion dollars more in debt. Increasingly miserable and hopeless inner cities like obamas own Chicago, supporting far left anti police crap like black live matters,failure to secure the Border and stuff like san bernardino and boston etc? Why do so many working people hate the democratic party?
The "popular vote' is basically california and new york for hillarys high numbers, she was crushed almost everywhere else.
The democratic party has basically become a party of minorities, lower-income people and a sprinkling of white professionals with groups like feminists etc always voting democrat and increasingly isolated blue metros across the country. The democrats now have the fewest number of state legislatures in history. Republicans have the most state-elected lawmakers in office in 100 years! Obama has been a disaster for the democratic party
The middle class has been on a downward spiral that began in the 1980's, loss of manufacturing jobs, automation, offshoring jobs and loss of decent wage jobs that do not require a college education. The GOP has controlled most ot the state legislatures, governorships and congress for several years and now they have the final piece. So can we stop placing blame soley on democrats and stop with the "take back our country". Both parties have been at fault but right now at this point of time in history the republicans own it.
Amazing how far to the left the Democrats have moved. They just keep losing the white vote year after year
WHITE VOTE IN PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS
2012: 72% of electorate, Romney 59, Obama 39
2008: 74% of electorate, McCain 55, Obama 43
2004: 77% of electorate, Bush 58, Kerry 41
2000: 81% of electorate, Bush 55, Gore 42
1996: 83% of electorate, Dole 46, Clinton 44 (Perot 9)
1992: 87% of electorate, Bush 41, Clinton 39 (Perot 21)
1988: 85% of electorate, Bush 60, Dukakis 40
1984: 86% of electorate, Reagan 66, Mondale 34
1980: 88% of electorate, Reagan 56, Carter 36 (Anderson 8)
1976: 89% of electorate, Ford 52, Carter 48
I am not certain what Republicans have as their central message these days.
"We promise that America is the land of opportunity, but only for white people"?
It is a very serious question, because that was the blatant message they gave this election cycle. After 8 years of literally doing nothing but shutting down the federal government, of existing only in opposition to President Obama and absolutely nothing else, they are somewhat adrift philosophically.
Astoundingly enough, the GOP could not do anything even when it possessed majorities in both houses. It exists as a predator that hunts itself for being what it is. I keep coming back to John Boehner, because I have seldom seen that kind of outlandishly evil assassination of one's colleagues even in academia.
All of this to say, I have no idea why anyone would vote Republican. On a fundamental level, I can only conclude that the voter base only wanted destruction, and we were expecting them to want the typical things-- ie, policy and agenda.
Red is the most appropriate of all colors. Republicans are the party of the scorched earth strategy.
Actually, its you accepting the lesser definition because you simply want to be like the other poster and debate grammar rather than simply admit more people voted for Hillary Clinton than the Republican.
You cant argue that they rejected hillary in that context without also saying they rejected Trump, since an even larger majority voted against him than her.
All from one state where they haven't even implemented RealID.
Hillary Lost. Time to put on the big boy pants and accept it.
1. Yes they did.
2. Sure they can, hence why many Americans want district lines drawn by nonpartisan or bipartisan groups, some district lines look as if they were drawn by a 2 year old.
1. Nope.
2. Republicans won state majorities in districts drawn by Democrats. This gives them the power to re-draw the lines to their favor. It's simple fact.
Face it son, the Democrat party is in shambles. It's now a regional party where fully 1/3 of those elected come from just 3 states. California, NY & Mass. They now have 0, yes Zero, influence in Washington.
Yup. You don't have to like the truth for it to be true, darling
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2. Republicans won state majorities in districts drawn by Democrats. This gives them the power to re-draw the lines to their favor. It's simple fact.
Districts were drawn, in fact, by Republicans. As of the previous Census, that fell to the GOP.
Between redistricting and voter suppression, the GOP has certainly been "successful" in retaining position.
What the GOP is not, however, is functional. Look at the actions (there are very few, it will not take you long) taken by congressional Republicans even when they already owned both Houses. The only accomplishment they achieved was in destroying John Boehner for the sin of compromise.
For a party that functions less for every incremental unit more it obtains, I believe what you are witnessing is the death of the GOP.
Did you think they would suddenly find the ability to do what they couldn't before simply because their numbers went from "majority" to "larger majority"?
Face it, son. It's a bad idea to **** in the wind.
Yup. You don't have to like the truth for it to be true, darling
Districts were drawn, in fact, by Republicans. As of the previous Census, that fell to the GOP..
Silly. Democrats controlled the state general assembly here in NC for 100 years. They controlled the districts. Yet that didn't stop the Republicans from winning enough local elections to take control from them. Now they draw the districts.
By your logic, Democrats are now completely incapable of regaining control of state governments and thus are permanently relegated to fringe status. Of course that is nonsense. But until they recognize their faults and why they now lose elections, it won't change. Blaming their huge losses on gerrymandering is example of this.
Silly. Democrats controlled the state general assembly here in NC for 100 years. They controlled the districts. Yet that didn't stop the Republicans from winning enough local elections to take control from them. Now they draw the districts.
You might be a better person than I, because this thought has seemingly not crossed your mind:
How does a state whose vast majority identifies with one party end up with a vast majority of representation from the other?
It is not by conducting elections based on votes. If it were, Republicans would not be the party responsible for reducing voting stations nationwide by an unprecedented amount. But they are, and here is where they have taken us:
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By your logic, Democrats are now completely incapable of regaining control of state governments and thus are permanently relegated to fringe status. Of course that is nonsense.
That was always the Republican intention. That is the very real consequence of what was at stake.
That was the battle all along. And look at what the Republicans left us with: a one-party system where the GOP was held hostage by radicals who rounded up and shot those who did any portion of their job.
That is what we have lost in the foreseeable future, until the stalling tactics the GOP uses are ineffective. It will happen; after all, diversity is only going to grow. People are only going to continue to urbanize and change their party.
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But until they recognize their faults and why they now lose elections, it won't change. Blaming their huge losses on gerrymandering is example of this.
But I do not blame their losses on gerrymandering alone. The GOP has taken very public, completely indisputable actions to achieve the current situation:
1) Deliberate and highly effective voter discrimination to reduce turnout, via the removal of polls from anywhere less than 99% white;
2) Spending millions to win those apparently high-coveted state legislature races: Project RedMap
You don't have to believe me. Take their word for it. This was very specifically their public campaign: pumping so much money into state politics to win races for Republicans against the majority Democratic voter base.
Karl Rove covers all of this in an article he wrote in 2012 for the Wall Street Journal.
Look at Kansas. Take a survey of what Congress has achieved under the Republican majority for the past 8 years. These are the consequences of political assassination.
Or did you think "we libruls" only cared about transgender bathroom access?
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