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Could you explain how the GOP devastated retirements for many? How about the unemployment rate 12 months after your God became president? I think you need to go back to school and take a civics class or at least do some research. The GOP is the party believing in a capitalistic system; The democrats believe in a system where government gives everyone everything. Have you checked the number of people receiving welfare since Obama took office compared to what is was in 2008?
Purely Amazing, you failed to factor in the losses during the Bush Administrations 8 ys or to realize you can't move back and revitalize such exodus of industry and rebuild an entire system within that span of Obama's 8 yrs, when more than 60 yrs of development has been devastated in the previous 8 yrs. Nor can it be accomplished with Republican fighting every step of the way to defeat anything and everything they can, and still trying to deal with multiple wars created by Republican process that destabilized whole regions of the world.. Surely, none of that is referenced in what you've expressed.
Maybe you should scan about and look at the many labor intensive works of the lower educated ranks and take a look at the ravages such work did unto their bodies. You might see a different picture. I see so many black and white poor people who can barely walk, suffering from many ailment brought on by cheap food saturated with chemicals of every sort, stress factors that brought health challenges beyond what one would expect to exist in America, brought on by the conditions they endured.
No you keep your pie in the sky delusion, and I'll keep looking at the reality that exist. We have a society driven to life long prescription additions for every condition imaginable, they are given these substances not as a method of cure, but of management; and that means, treat the condition, don't try to cure it, because its more profit in treatment than there is in cures.
Take the average salary under $20 and see if one can support self, home, family and the life basics, and still afford to go to the better stores and buy the non polluted foods. If one see's the sign that say's Organic, they simply have to pass by that, and go to the chemical induced, that was picked green and never allowed to mature naturally. Because its mass production for the masses, not healthy food for the quality standard of sustaining and improving ones nutritional needs. But, surely, none of that has any matter or factor in your comment.
When industrialist under pay people, and rely on the government programs to cover the balance of their needs, as a factored program which become an indirect methods to make the government pay for the labor the industry used the person to provide. Then you might start to understand in a deeper sense.
We don't have industry that just makes millions, now they make $100's of million and $Billions, yet, why has the people lives not improved. Based on the $100's of Millions and $Billions that is now fed to the wealthy, it has damaged the population tremendously. If that money was not fed to the top, "NO ONE" who works a stable industrial job in Corporate American would earn less than $50K a year and we would not have wild inflation. Business no longer are satisfied with 40%-50% or even 60% profit margins, they now want 300% and in some cases up 3000% percent profit margins, depending on how they can play up the necessity of the product, this is the reality of using slave wage labor on foreign soils and selling cheap disposable goods that must be repurchased on rapid cycles.
They hae used knowledge to find out the critical components and produce them with programmed factors of failure, which means you pay a premium to have it repaired, or choose the option to repurchase the product. The drive is for individuals to repurchase, not repair. Therefore, they make the repair market difficult to access, thus pushing repurchase over long term inconvenience.
Although none of these things matter within your factoring, you have adapted to the systems influences and done so without question or inquiry.
Last edited by Chance and Change; 12-26-2016 at 04:22 PM..
I'm hearing the world's saddest song being played on the world's smallest violin.
You're assuming that 'the American people' agree with you. Obviously a significant number do not agree with you....and not all who disagree with you are Republicans.
People also have different definitions of the composition of 'the American people'.
Principal Points and Principle Facts still remain the same. Regardless of the variations of interpretations. The result is America suffered mass devastation in a multitude of categories during the Bush Administration, and you can't erase that with your denials.
You can thump your banjo; and when you finish, the facts will still exist.
Trickle down economics does work. We can discuss Microsoft, Apple, Exxon, Amazon, HP, Ford or any of thousands of cases where someone starts a company that provides thousands of jobs directly and indirectly along with tax revenue for infrastructure and social programs.
Look up the term- supply side economics or voodoo economics and learn what trickle down is and does. It is not as simple as you are making it. We have roughly 40 years of evidence as to what trickle down has done to this country.
Look up the term- supply side economics or voodoo economics and learn what trickle down is and does. It is not as simple as you are making it. We have roughly 40 years of evidence as to what trickle down has done to this country.
It's all not the same. When a business is successful many people do well.
When the government pretends that tax cuts are going to do the same, they are wrong
Trickle down economics does work. We can discuss Microsoft, Apple, Exxon, Amazon, HP, Ford or any of thousands of cases where someone starts a company that provides thousands of jobs directly and indirectly along with tax revenue for infrastructure and social programs.
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Originally Posted by D-R-B
Look up the term- supply side economics or voodoo economics and learn what trickle down is and does. It is not as simple as you are making it. We have roughly 40 years of evidence as to what trickle down has done to this country.
Economics is the study of supply and demand.
Microsoft, Apple, Exxon, Amazon, HP, Ford... are not examples of trickle-down, supply-side economics. These are examples of demand-side economics. These businesses developed and sold products for which there was a demand.
Trickle-down economics, supply-side economics, refers to economic policies that favor the wealthy under under the theory if the wealthy have more money, they will create more jobs.
It doesn't work that way. WalMart makes huge profits every year. But they only build more buildings, hire more cashiers and stockers if they have a reasonable expectation that the demand is there. Demand is what drives their investment. Not supply.
Businesses would be foolish to supply products for which there is little or no demand. So they don't do that. They sock their money away in offshore banks.
Reagan's backers were all about "trickle-down" economics. Didn't work.
It's a way for the rich to get richer, but it doesn't do squat for the worker bees. Not unless there is demand. In which case, there is no need for the tax breaks and rebates. If companies see there is a demand, they will come up with the supply. Doesn't work the other way around.
I know this is difficult to grasp, but it's not impossible.
Trickle-down economics doesn't work in theory and it doesn't work in practice.
Purely Amazing, you failed to factor in the losses during the Bush Administrations 8 ys or to realize you can't move back and revitalize such exodus of industry and rebuild an entire system within that span of Obama's 8 yrs, when more than 60 yrs of development has been devastated in the previous 8 yrs. Nor can it be accomplished with Republican fighting every step of the way to defeat anything and everything they can, and still trying to deal with multiple wars created by Republican process that destabilized whole regions of the world.. Surely, none of that is referenced in what you've expressed.
Maybe you should scan about and look at the many labor intensive works of the lower educated ranks and take a look at the ravages such work did unto their bodies. You might see a different picture. I see so many black and white poor people who can barely walk, suffering from many ailment brought on by cheap food saturated with chemicals of every sort, stress factors that brought health challenges beyond what one would expect to exist in America, brought on by the conditions they endured.
No you keep your pie in the sky delusion, and I'll keep looking at the reality that exist. We have a society driven to life long prescription additions for every condition imaginable, they are given these substances not as a method of cure, but of management; and that means, treat the condition, don't try to cure it, because its more profit in treatment than there is in cures.
Take the average salary under $20 and see if one can support self, home, family and the life basics, and still afford to go to the better stores and buy the non polluted foods. If one see's the sign that say's Organic, they simply have to pass by that, and go to the chemical induced, that was picked green and never allowed to mature naturally. Because its mass production for the masses, not healthy food for the quality standard of sustaining and improving ones nutritional needs. But, surely, none of that has any matter or factor in your comment.
When industrialist under pay people, and rely on the government programs to cover the balance of their needs, as a factored program which become an indirect methods to make the government pay for the labor the industry used the person to provide. Then you might start to understand in a deeper sense.
We don't have industry that just makes millions, now they make $100's of million and $Billions, yet, why has the people lives not improved. Based on the $100's of Millions and $Billions that is now fed to the wealthy, it has damaged the population tremendously. If that money was not fed to the top, "NO ONE" who works a stable industrial job in Corporate American would earn less than $50K a year and we would not have wild inflation. Business no longer are satisfied with 40%-50% or even 60% profit margins, they now want 300% and in some cases up 3000% percent profit margins, depending on how they can play up the necessity of the product, this is the reality of using slave wage labor on foreign soils and selling cheap disposable goods that must be repurchased on rapid cycles.
They hae used knowledge to find out the critical components and produce them with programmed factors of failure, which means you pay a premium to have it repaired, or choose the option to repurchase the product. The drive is for individuals to repurchase, not repair. Therefore, they make the repair market difficult to access, thus pushing repurchase over long term inconvenience.
Although none of these things matter within your factoring, you have adapted to the systems influences and done so without question or inquiry.
What I would like to hear Trump say, is that going forward, any and all non wealthy people who use Medicare, can do so without co-payments !!! That is easy to achieve by establishing of a salary metric, which determines the wealthy and what they should pay as Co-pay, and those who have wealth beyond a certain level, are ineligible for medicare without co-payments. (why, because the wealthy have always paid to have a better insurance than the common working people and their net worth does not support their benefit of Medicare without co-payments.)
Social Security should be tax exempt- Period. It's enough to pay sales tax on what is purchased and utilized, there needs to be no additional tax on Social Security. The salary cap for contribution should be eliminated. People should pay into social security as long as they earn income- (EXCEPTIONS: PENSION INCOME AND SOCIAL SECURITY BENEFITS, ARE EXEMPT in all 50 states, for anyone over the age of 65. {if people take pensions that is more than 50K a year before that age, all above 50K pension is subject to tax until they reach age 65}).
We then covert ALL Public ELECTED Officials pensions to come from the Social Security Division, and their Insurance is through Medicare and Medicaid, It too comes with a capped amount of benefits - no more of this ride the public system and retire wealthy and draw an excess pension. (Why, because they chose to spend their life continuing to pursue re-election, rather than join the private sector and get a job). Guaranteed, while they are in Office, they will then pass policy to protect Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid).
Why won't Trump look at such things as being a standard benefit for Senior Citizens? ( He won't because he is more concerned with the wealthy paying as little or nothing at all as his agenda aims) Not once has he got up and made any proposals to help the senior citizens the true aged elderly.
Why has he not appealed to 'developers" to build more Assisted Living and Senior Living Facilities, that are state of the arts? (because he only build for the well to do.) But the bigger question is why has none of his supporters petitioned for him to address these matters. As time spins around it is both Republican and Democrats who need these benefits assistance of these program facilities. They don't need to fork over their entire social security check or their entire pension check, to have access, and be left with the insult of $35 a month for quality of life expenses. Why not develop the program, that can under no circumstance take more than 40-50% of their Social Security, for the housing and providing of meals and medicare takes care of the medicines and other medical devices and services, to afford the Senior to maintain some standard of quality of life? WHY? Is there such low concern for Senior Citizens in this country that we simply take everything from them as if their lives no longer has worth, since they are no longer able to work? That is a cruel society, which by example tells all of society, that you only have value if you are within the age range to participate in the labor pool.
Does anyone care that the senior citizens are the people who built this society, their toil, their labors and their providing a constant pool of offspring's to feed into the system. But one thing that will never happen is for any of these political figures to actually read any of the general public forums as such to grasp what the people actually discuss, talk about and think.
Fight this if you will, but if you live you will too become aged, and that maybe 100-200-300K that you saved up, can be depleted in one or two medical events and you too can find destitution, and be pushed to seek medicaid. Then you have to give up everything left, to get Medicaid, because it will not allow you to have more than $2K in assets or cash.
Why is no one challenging that? We live in a world where the wealthy count their money in $10, 100's of million and double digit Billions, yet, we won't allow the poor to have more than $2K, that number should be at the lowest, $50K, and they should be able to maintain a home that has a value that is at least equal to the Median cost of Home-ownership. Does no one understand that people may be sick, but they like to at least have their independence, if they already had a home.
We can do better, but the only block is that people don't care about people, and Republican are so afraid someone else will be helped, until they fight everything. Yet, there are many moderate minded Republican who understand exactly what I'm discussing.
I've spent time trying to get help for elderly family members, I've seen people in desperate need to have access to assisted living programs, or rehab facilities. Many can't qualify for Assisted Living. Even if a person had a home, if they sell it, to pay for assisted living, they should be allowed to keep their proceeds from their home and still be eligible for medicaid assistance. We can manage that, buy have a asset matrix, that does not force the person to poverty and destitution, in order to get this assistance. Because the mental care is important, when people are stripped of everything they worked to earn and must give it up for care, that does not help their healing process nor does it help their quality of life concept within their mental state of being.
We had better learn what is compassion, because Age will come to us all, and in some cases one does not have to be aged to be relegated to these type of needs. But must one become destitute in order to get help. Question? What is a young person in the age of 30-40-50 with a family need this assistance, must they forfiet their assets to get help, and if they do, then what happens to the rest of the family? These are REAL Question, all people should give thought.
Yet, All Republican can do is think of Repealing Health Care, rather than looking at how they can expand and improve it. Their big concern is giving the wealthy a tax break with some fiction that we've seen before, or pretending they will create jobs. Yet, the same person on the platform has not even considered having his own business products produced in American, because he is more concerned about 300% profit, rather than working with 30-40-50-60% profit margins.
No many can spend a Billion Dollars, it only translates into them seeking "power" and power has always been an element that corrupted mankind. The only power that works in society is the Collective Power of the People who care about People, Society, the earth and the world community. That is the nature of power that heals the world. Any man calming power, only gains such at the expense of the people, and we see that everyday, in the ranks of the wealthy and the excessively wealthy.
They remain unaware, that at death, none of it will they take with them. Their families will never starve of want for anything, so at what point is enough. Fact is, when Avarice fills a Mans Heart, "no amount" is enough.
God has always found a way to bring down the wicked, and many have died even without their mind in tact. Could it be the vile they spent their lives crafting has become its own detriment within themselves.
Ronald Reagan, flooded the poor people with drug, to support his Central America fighting, and devastated lives that continue to this day, He played the give the wealthy tax breaks and raised taxes on the masses at the very least 7 times, destroyed unions and set this country on a course that devastated the poor and destroyed working standards for the working poor, he had no concern for minorities and set back civil rights decades by the disposition and attitude of his actions, including stripping away money from education and nearly destroying State University accessibility, and he too died without his own mind. Evil doers does not escape the Lord. Selective Amnesia makes man want to omit to consider much, Man Worship blinds others unto truths of mans actions, but nothing escape the understanding and awareness of God. As is true, Vengeance is Always for the Lord, and no man who engage acts against the people shall find an escape route.
Believe or not Believe is your individual choice, as each man is accountable for his manner and demeanor as well as his acts and actions. Those who Love the Lord can only do so by honoring the principle of the Lord, which is in basic very simply, "Follow the Golden Rule", it is the only Gold that the Lord treasures in the lives of mankind.
Now, do what you will, attack the post any way you chose, and deny what your manner pushes you to deny, and when such things are finished, you will have made your declaration of whom and how you are as it relates to the care and kindness of what is your fellow man and society as a whole.
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