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Old 12-28-2016, 03:56 PM
 
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Pasadena police barricading 56 routes to Rose Parade with water-filled barriers to prevent truck attacks

I don't fault the Rose Bowl for taking measures to prevent a terrorist with a truck from attacking the Rose Bowl Parade or fans near the stadium.

However, we can't prevent all forms of terrorism and I wonder how much money we spend nationwide on preventing terrorist strikes... Some Muslim refugees require elite expensive 24-7 monitoring...if that is the case shouldn't we just deport them than let them drain our resources if we can't trust them enough to not kill us?
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Old 12-28-2016, 04:34 PM
 
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Pasadena police barricading 56 routes to Rose Parade with water-filled barriers to prevent truck attacks

I don't fault the Rose Bowl for taking measures to prevent a terrorist with a truck from attacking the Rose Bowl Parade or fans near the stadium.

However, we can't prevent all forms of terrorism and I wonder how much money we spend nationwide on preventing terrorist strikes... Some Muslim refugees require elite expensive 24-7 monitoring...if that is the case shouldn't we just deport them than let them drain our resources if we can't trust them enough to not kill us?
Democrats love them some terrorist. They support importing them in record numbers and can't imagine life without them.
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Old 12-28-2016, 07:58 PM
 
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Pasadena police barricading 56 routes to Rose Parade with water-filled barriers to prevent truck attacks

I don't fault the Rose Bowl for taking measures to prevent a terrorist with a truck from attacking the Rose Bowl Parade or fans near the stadium.

However, we can't prevent all forms of terrorism and I wonder how much money we spend nationwide on preventing terrorist strikes... Some Muslim refugees require elite expensive 24-7 monitoring...if that is the case shouldn't we just deport them than let them drain our resources if we can't trust them enough to not kill us?
Almost all acts of US terrorism in the past 10 years have been domestic US born folks becoming radicalized on their own online. San Bernadino (the Husband), Dylan Roof and the Orlando shooter were all US born citizens.

It's extremely difficult for our intelligence services to track. For instance in the case of the San Bernadino shooters, they actually stopped attending the mosque and just withdrew from their community leading up to their massacre. Dylan Roof didn't exhibit any direct outward signs and the Orlando shooter only attended a mosque every now and then, and in fact may have been Gay himself.

So what do you do? Say to hell with it on privacy and track the hell out of people online. Where this gets tricky is that you can't prosecute someone for googling "how do I commit a mass murder" and if you engage them on it you run in to hindering entrapment laws.
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Old 12-28-2016, 09:40 PM
 
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Almost all acts of US terrorism in the past 10 years have been domestic US born folks becoming radicalized on their own online. San Bernadino (the Husband), Dylan Roof and the Orlando shooter were all US born citizens.
That is true, but the US has arrested at least 14 Muslim refugees the past 2 years on terrorism charges. Additionally some have required expensive 24-7 monitoring (the vast majority have not). If we are that worried about some refugees - just deport those particular ones. We can't afford that at $20 Trillion in debt and counting.



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It's extremely difficult for our intelligence services to track. For instance in the case of the San Bernadino shooters, they actually stopped attending the mosque and just withdrew from their community leading up to their massacre. Dylan Roof didn't exhibit any direct outward signs and the Orlando shooter only attended a mosque every now and then, and in fact may have been Gay himself.

So what do you do? Say to hell with it on privacy and track the hell out of people online. Where this gets tricky is that you can't prosecute someone for googling "how do I commit a mass murder" and if you engage them on it you run in to hindering entrapment laws.
It is difficult to track, but they have done a decent job. Over 70 men have been arrested in the US on ISIS related terrorist plots the past year and a half or so...that is pretty good work.

In this global culture we 'probably' must change our own culture and get use to more government big brother intervention...
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Old 12-28-2016, 09:51 PM
 
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Almost all acts of US terrorism in the past 10 years have been domestic US born folks becoming radicalized on their own online. San Bernadino (the Husband), Dylan Roof and the Orlando shooter were all US born citizens.

It's extremely difficult for our intelligence services to track. For instance in the case of the San Bernadino shooters, they actually stopped attending the mosque and just withdrew from their community leading up to their massacre. Dylan Roof didn't exhibit any direct outward signs and the Orlando shooter only attended a mosque every now and then, and in fact may have been Gay himself.

So what do you do? Say to hell with it on privacy and track the hell out of people online. Where this gets tricky is that you can't prosecute someone for googling "how do I commit a mass murder" and if you engage them on it you run in to hindering entrapment laws.


Come on. these people are not domestic us born folks good ole usa types, save alot of money and never allow these people and their weird cultures in our country in the first place. Ever!

America averaged one serious Islamic terrorist attack and carnage a year on President Obama’s watch, and tons that were prevented. Why even allow these people into the country?






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Old 12-28-2016, 09:55 PM
 
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Good thing we're fighting them over there so we don't have to here...oh wait.
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Old 12-28-2016, 10:17 PM
 
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Come on. these people are not domestic us born folks good ole usa types, save alot of money and never allow these people and their weird cultures in our country in the first place. Ever!

America averaged one serious Islamic terrorist attack and carnage a year on President Obama’s watch, and tons that were prevented. Why even allow these people into the country?





Yeah, why did we allow the parents of people that look like this in here?

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Old 12-29-2016, 06:55 AM
 
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Yeah, why did we allow the parents of people that look like this in here?
Not looks, ideology.

During and just after WWII, we didn't block German immigrants, but we did block immigrants from Germany that had been Nazis. Liberal heroes FDR and Truman did that.

If someone believes the literal teachings of the Prophet Muhammad that those who kill infidels in the name of Islam will get eternity in heaven with big breasted babes -- isn't it in our best interest to at the very least scrutinize such people more before letting them enter the country?
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Old 12-29-2016, 08:07 AM
 
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Not looks, ideology.

During and just after WWII, we didn't block German immigrants, but we did block immigrants from Germany that had been Nazis. Liberal heroes FDR and Truman did that.

If someone believes the literal teachings of the Prophet Muhammad that those who kill infidels in the name of Islam will get eternity in heaven with big breasted babes -- isn't it in our best interest to at the very least scrutinize such people more before letting them enter the country?
Those aren't the literal teachings of Muhammad. This isn't the religion forum but if you'd like to discuss, PM me. Nor do I put on a pedastal murderers over murderers because one does it out of racism while the other does it to make a geopolitical statement.

Where I do agree with you is that we should do as much as is possible to protect people from harm within the confines of our constitution.
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Old 12-29-2016, 08:11 AM
 
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Democrats love them some terrorist. They support importing them in record numbers and can't imagine life without them.

Life without biased, unsupported by anything factual, baseless allegations is however, easy to imagine.
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