What should be done about global overpopulation? (2013, million, Oklahoma)
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We don't need a genocide or sterilization. Just look to the countries that have neutral or negative growth and see what they have in common. They're economically prosperous and/or the women have equal or close to equal rights as men. People who are educated and women who are empowered will generally have fewer children.
You forgot to include socialism.
Before socialism, people (poor, etc) had large families for security in old age.
After socialism, people believed they would be supported by taxing "other people's children." So they didn't procreate, avoiding the bother and expense.
Unfortunately, when a whole nation depopulates, the booming pensioner population is a terrible burden on the diminishing young taxpayers.
You can see that happening in Europe, and its frantic attempt at "correction."
It doesn't take a genius to extrapolate what the "next generation" will be in "socialist paradises" whose native populations are overrun by more fertile neighbors, friendly or not.
Socialist nations fertility rate : 1-2 children
Non socialist nations fertility rate : 2-4 children
Muslim nations fertility rate : 5-8 children
With development comes Affluence, resulting in lower birth-rates. Eventually, the population on Earth will stabilize then start to decline. I'd put the peak at around 15 Billion.
I've read the peak is closer to nine billion. 15 is a lot of mouths to feed.
You forgot to include socialism.
Before socialism, people (poor, etc) had large families for security in old age.
After socialism, people believed they would be supported by taxing "other people's children." So they didn't procreate, avoiding the bother and expense.
Unfortunately, when a whole nation depopulates, the booming pensioner population is a terrible burden on the diminishing young taxpayers.
You can see that happening in Europe, and its frantic attempt at "correction."
It doesn't take a genius to extrapolate what the "next generation" will be in "socialist paradises" whose native populations are overrun by more fertile neighbors, friendly or not.
Socialist nations fertility rate : 1-2 children
Non socialist nations fertility rate : 2-4 children
Muslim nations fertility rate : 5-8 children
You make some somewhat reasonable point, but I'd like to know where you get your numbers and how you define "socialist." If we're talking full on communist paradise, there are only a couple countries that can make that claim. If we're talking democratic socialist or social-capitalist countries, then we're in a bit of a gray area. Also, there are many predominately Muslim nations that could reasonably fall into different economic categories.
Generally, if a nation has generous "Social Security" / government pensions, it's socialist.
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Originally Posted by bolehboleh
If we're talking full on communist paradise, there are only a couple countries that can make that claim. [Not really] If we're talking democratic socialist or social-capitalist countries, then we're in a bit of a gray area. Also, there are many predominately Muslim nations that could reasonably fall into different economic categories.
All collectivism (socialism, communism, marxism, etc) abolishes private property rights and imposes compulsory charity (theft by government).
There is no such thing as a little bit socialist. Either the government respects and protects private property rights or it abolishes them, in favor of the "Takers." There is no centrist position.
From the Communist manifesto: "In this sense, the theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property."
Amendment V, US Constitution 1789
... nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
"PRIVATE PROPERTY - As protected from being taken for public uses, is such property as belongs absolutely to an individual, and of which he has the exclusive right of disposition. Property of a specific, fixed and tangible nature, capable of being in possession and transmitted to another, such as houses, lands, and chattels."
- - - Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.1217.
"OWNERSHIP - ... Ownership of property is either absolute or qualified. The ownership of property is absolute when a single person has the absolute dominion over it... The ownership is qualified when it is shared with one or more persons, when the time of enjoyment is deferred or limited, or when the use is restricted. "
- - -Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p. 1106
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Before 1933, private property ownership was a SACRED RIGHT.
" Personal liberty, or the Right to enjoyment of life and liberty, is one of the fundamental or natural Rights, which has been protected by its inclusion as a guarantee in the various constitutions, which is not derived from, or dependent on, the U.S. Constitution, which may not be submitted to a vote and may not depend on the outcome of an election. It is one of the most sacred and valuable Rights, as SACRED AS THE RIGHT TO PRIVATE PROPERTY...and is regarded as inalienable."
- - - 16 Corpus Juris Secundum, Constitutional Law, Sect.202, p.987.
Absolute ownership of lands, houses, and chattels by an individual is a SACRED RIGHT, secured by government, in harmony with the Declaration of Independence. Few Americans can remember what private property was, since it has been 84 years of glorious socialism.
In 1933, FDR confiscated all the privately held gold money (private property) and criminalized the possession of lawful gold money by “free” Americans. From 1933 forward, private possession and ownership of gold was illegal for U.S. citizens. Any refusal to return one's gold was punishable by a fine of $10,000 and 10 years in prison.
__"The private ownership of gold is a privilege, not a right. Congress revoked the privilege of private ownership in 1933 and restored it in 1974. Congress could easily revoke the privilege again. In fact, at no time during this century has the U.S. government recognized the right of private gold ownership. The Trading With The Enemy Act, which President Roosevelt invoked in 1933 to restrict private gold transactions, remains law. The government could reactivate the machinery, which The Trading With The Enemy Act established, to implement gold confiscation."
- - - Boston College International and Comparative Law Review 297, 320 (1982)
Congress and FDR declared that private ownership of gold was a privilege, not a right.
__“The ultimate ownership of all property is in the State; individual so-called “ownership” is only by virtue of government, i.e. law, amounting to mere user; and user must be in accordance with law and subordinate to the necessities of the State.”
— Senate Document No. 43, 73D Congress, 1st Session, entitled: “Contracts Payable in Gold”, by George Cyrus Thorpe, submitted to the senate: April 17, 1933
http://www.treasury.gov/resource-cen...al-tender.aspx
". . .Federal Reserve notes are not redeemable in gold, silver or any other commodity, and receive no backing by anything. This has been the case since 1933. The notes have no value for themselves, but for what they will buy. In another sense, because they are legal tender, Federal Reserve notes are "backed" by all the goods and services in the economy."
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Is that clear enough? Not just gold but ALL property. And CONgress is kiting bad checks (worthless notes) using OUR property and labor as collateral. How did they make such a claim without paying "just compensation?"
Ans: The SOCIALIST STATE abolished private property (absolute ownership by individuals).
That's why government routinely takes / arrests / seizes property without paying just compensation.
So for all practical purposes, the USA is a communist country.
And has a dropping birthrate, too.
Welcome to the People's Democratic Socialist Republic of America.
Invest in space technology, so that we can start colonizing the Moon, Mars, Titan (one of Saturn's Moons)
There is a possibility that methane based life exists on Titan. If so it would be wrong for us to colonize it.
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