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Old 01-04-2017, 11:29 AM
 
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According to Pence, Trump will use Executive Orders to repeal ACA.

Congress will have 6 months to come up with replacement.

Trump to Kill Obamacare With Executive Orders on Day One - The Daily Beast
This should do wonders for my mom's $3000 per month before insurance medication. I'm sure they're desperate for laws to change so that they can drop her like a bad habit and make her 'shop around' on the open market for a plan to take her (even though none will because it would probably be a pre-existing condition after ACA is repealed).
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Old 01-04-2017, 11:31 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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According to Pence, Trump will use Executive Orders to repeal ACA.

Congress will have 6 months to come up with replacement.

Trump to Kill Obamacare With Executive Orders on Day One - The Daily Beast
A replacement bill in 6 months.

Good luck with that.

Open enrollment for large group and individual plans happens in November.

No way can insurers be remotely prepared to react in time for 2018 enrollment.

Nothing being bantered about right now gets to the root cause, the cost of healthcare.

Rand Paul ( no fan of the ACA) was on Morning Joe this morning saying repeal and replace must be in lockstep to avoid creating mayhem in the insurance markets and hospitals. He foresaw the need to bail out health insurers to avoid the collapse of healthcare in the US if there was a gap. He made clear he would not support a gap.

Apparently, Rand was unaware of the intent to repeal by EO.
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Old 01-04-2017, 11:33 AM
 
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Serious question here.

Don't any of you who favor repeal (and disappear) have kids who may not yet be in permanent jobs or have career paths that tend not to come with employer-provided insurance? This is increasingly common in our service-oriented/enterprenurial new economy. Even if some new plans allows for coverage on parental policies until the mid-20s that won't necessarily help many young adults.

Even for the so-called healthy, I really worry that insurance companies will call even innocuous health events a pre-existing condition. Twice now, I've panicked and taken my kid to an emergency room for what turned out to be anxiety even though the blood work initially showed a possible heart attack (really, at age 17). Then there was the physical therapy for leg cramps/strength due (I certainly hope) to wearing too-flat shoes. Have I made my kid uninsurable? Obviously I could and would subsidize her for after all it was MY choice that put those items onto her health record.

But what happens to those parents' retirement savings etc. if an inadequately insured kid has an accident or illness. Say tough luck?
You're asking serious questions that you can't expect to be answered here, and probably not in Congress, either.

It's becoming more and more clear that Trump is not capable of deep analysis or understanding anything besides a tweet. If, in fact, he can repeal the ACA with an executive order he'll probably do so because he's all about the spotlight and it will be good for that. Then it will be up to Congress to replace it and they've proven themselves to be feckless and craven.

As the mother of a young adult, if she were uninsured I'd probably let her get her health care through the ER and rack up the debt because that debt generally is not secured by anything. I'd hang onto my retirement savings to help her with living expenses. In other words, we'd be right back where we used to be with public hospitals serving as primary care facilities and passing the unpaid balances on to others in the form of ever-increasing costs.
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Old 01-04-2017, 11:34 AM
 
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But what happens to those parents' retirement savings etc. if an inadequately insured kid has an accident or illness. Say tough luck?
They go bankrupt paying for medical treatment.
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Old 01-04-2017, 11:36 AM
 
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A replacement bill in 6 months.

Good luck with that.

Open enrollment for large group and individual plans happens in November.

No way can insurers be remotely prepared to react in time for 2018 enrollment.

Nothing being bantered about right now gets to the root cause, the cost of healthcare.

Rand Paul ( no fan of the ACA) was on Morning Joe this morning saying repeal and replace must be in lockstep to avoid creating mayhem in the insurance markets and hospitals. He foresaw the need to bail out health insurers to avoid the collapse of healthcare in the US if there was a gap. He made clear he would not support a gap.

Apparently, Rand was unaware of the intent to repeal by EO.
Many of Trump supporters, judging by comments on here, appear to welcome mayhem and the collapse of health care in the U.S. I don't know how widespread it is among the general public, but I don't think you can assume that most people want to avoid a catastrophe.
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Old 01-04-2017, 11:36 AM
 
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It's becoming more and more clear that Trump is not capable of deep analysis or understanding anything besides a tweet. If, in fact, he can repeal the ACA with an executive order he'll probably do so because he's all about the spotlight and it will be good for that. Then it will be up to Congress to replace it and they've proven themselves to be feckless and craven.
Pence announced that Trump will repeal ACA with Excutive Orders and Congress will have six months to come up with a replacement.


Trump to Kill Obamacare With Executive Orders on Day One - The Daily Beast

This ought to be fun to watch.
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Old 01-04-2017, 11:40 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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If anything this has to be attributed to out of shape, fat people.
75% of adults are overweight/ obese and getting fatter every day.

35% of minors are overweight/ obese

Overweight/ obese people are more vulnerable to Diabetes, heart disease, high BP, Stroke, joint deterioration and some Cancers all of which costs big $$$ to treat.
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Old 01-04-2017, 11:41 AM
 
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As the mother of a young adult, if she were uninsured I'd probably let her get her health care through the ER and rack up the debt because that debt generally is not secured by anything. ...
They don't provide treatment for a lot of medical conditions in the ER.

We bought "gap coverage" for our children when they did not have health insurance.

Parents of our daughter's friends did not do that. She was diagnosed with cancer. I think it was leukemia, might have been lymphoma, can't recall. It's been a while.

They sold their home, held fundraisers... She died within a year, but they were bankrupt by then.
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Old 01-04-2017, 11:43 AM
 
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Many of Trump supporters, judging by comments on here, appear to welcome mayhem and the collapse of health care in the U.S. I don't know how widespread it is among the general public, but I don't think you can assume that most people want to avoid a catastrophe.
I'm not sure that assessment of most people is accurate.
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Old 01-04-2017, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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20 million insured at a huge expense to everyone else.
The problem lies in getting young healthy people to enroll, that is the basis for any health plan surviving. If the republican plan solves that then I am all for them but if they head in the other direction and remove penalties for not enrolling Obama Care is doomed. Instead of just complaining about the deficiencies they need to improve the current system.

There was a rather large issue with people using a hospital instead of a doctors office, pull away Obama Care and that is where we end up. These people that never paid a dime and end up on Medicaid need to be forced to pay in when they are young/healthy.

The republicans had 6 years to prepare for this moment, I have not seen them touring the country with their highlights of the plan. Go look at Paul Ryan's or Pence's website for their plan doesn't cut it, they should be front and center with their proposal but all I hear is repeal.
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