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Old 01-04-2017, 06:17 PM
 
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Yeah whatever u say buddy
It is what I say and I detest leeches who can't or won't see to their own needs.

Run on back to socialist Europe if you don't like it.
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Old 01-04-2017, 06:18 PM
 
Location: Richmond, VA
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Why should I pay for other people's stuff?
People are paying for your use of roads, police, fire protection, clean water, and a host of other benefits.

Society in general is structured around mutual benefit where masses band together to provide things no single person could provide for themselves, and there is not sufficient economic incentive for a private provider to do so (or too many people will get left behind or out for reasons out of their control). None of us are rugged individualists, your high school Ayn Rand fantasies notwithstanding. It's just a matter of how much society takes from all to provide to all.

People who support the ACA believe it's important to take care of all. People who don't, don't. You will change your tune-guaranteed-when one of your relatives gets a debilitating, deadly disease and they turn out to actually not be able to pay, or their insurance drops them. But by then it will be too late.
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Old 01-04-2017, 06:22 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Why should I pay for other people's stuff?
Because that's how society works. My taxes go to things I don't particularly care for either. The difference is I can accept reality. You can't for some reason.

It's interesting that a lot of right wingers profess to be Christian yet complain when their tax money is going to help their fellow man in time of need. They would rather spend their tax money on useless wars. I think it's because they have a fixation with death. They love to see people suffer and die.
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Old 01-04-2017, 06:24 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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I'm willing to entertain the idea that the Republicans could possibly have an alternative to Obamacare, afterall, that's why they have control of the government because they will be able to do a better job according to the peoples' will. Don't give me heated rhetoric about how much Obamacare sucks. Explain exact details with quantifiable endpoints about exactly how the Republicans can repeal, replace Obamacare, AND produce better results. The days of denying health care based on pre-existing conditions, caps on lifetime coverage, and whatever other BS insurance companies can come up with to get paid NOT to provide care simply isn't acceptable. We've been there and tried that; the healthcare horror stories of the early 2000s absolutely cannot be repeated. So please, explain what the GOP has up their sleeve. Remember: details and quantifiable endpoints.

I do not think, 20 million people make 2/3rds of our population. To be telling us what to do and when we are going to do it.
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Old 01-04-2017, 06:25 PM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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It is what I say and I detest leeches who can't or won't see to their own needs.
You still didnt explain what the solution is for a middle class family that is suddenly faced with $1-$2 million in lifesaving medical costs.

To say that you dont care is a cop out.

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Run on back to socialist Europe if you don't like it.
Yawns. If your house ever catches fire, stick to your philosophy and dont call the fire department. After all, it's not society's problem.
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Old 01-04-2017, 06:27 PM
 
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People are paying for your use of roads, police, fire protection, clean water, and a host of other benefits.

Society in general is structured around mutual benefit where masses band together to provide things no single person could provide for themselves, and there is not sufficient economic incentive for a private provider to do so (or too many people will get left behind or out for reasons out of their control). None of us are rugged individualists, your high school Ayn Rand fantasies notwithstanding. It's just a matter of how much society takes from all to provide to all.

People who support the ACA believe it's important to take care of all. People who don't, don't. You will change your tune-guaranteed-when one of your relatives gets a debilitating, deadly disease and they turn out to actually not be able to pay, or their insurance drops them. But by then it will be too late.
No, I am paying my own way for road use by paying a fuel excise tax. My taxes pay for police and I had paid to have my well drilled .

So I pay my way. Health care is a right but you don't have the right to make me pay for the health care of other people.

Why I have no health insurance. I refuse to pay for other people's stuff and my tax credits zero out any fine.
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Old 01-04-2017, 06:28 PM
 
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People are paying for your use of roads, police, fire protection, clean water, and a host of other benefits.

Society in general is structured around mutual benefit where masses band together to provide things no single person could provide for themselves, and there is not sufficient economic incentive for a private provider to do so (or too many people will get left behind or out for reasons out of their control). None of us are rugged individualists, your high school Ayn Rand fantasies notwithstanding. It's just a matter of how much society takes from all to provide to all.

People who support the ACA believe it's important to take care of all. People who don't, don't. You will change your tune-guaranteed-when one of your relatives gets a debilitating, deadly disease and they turn out to actually not be able to pay, or their insurance drops them. But by then it will be too late.

"Ayn Rand discovered at the end of her life that she was only human and in need of help. Rather than starve or drop dead—as she would have let so many others do—she took the help" and lived out her life on Social Security and Medicare.

When Ayn Rand Collected Social Security & Medicare, After Years of Opposing Benefit Programs | Open Culture
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Old 01-04-2017, 06:28 PM
 
Location: Richmond, VA
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My taxes pay for police
See if this looks familiar to you, tough guy.

"Who are you to tell me I have to pay for police protection? I despise those who can't or won't take care of themselves."
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Old 01-04-2017, 06:29 PM
 
Location: Richmond, VA
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"Ayn Rand discovered at the end of her life that she was only human and in need of help. Rather than starve or drop dead—as she would have let so many others do—she took the help" and lived out her life on Social Security and Medicare.

When Ayn Rand Collected Social Security & Medicare, After Years of Opposing Benefit Programs | Open Culture
Yep. Exactly my point. People talk a big game until they need a helping hand. And this joker will absolutely need one, someday. I bet he takes it, if it's still there to take.
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Old 01-04-2017, 06:30 PM
 
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Yes, I object to them all.

You have no right to steal from one to provide for another regardless of the reason you might use to justify it.

It is anti-American, ant-Liberty, anti-Freedom to take from people and redistribute without their express permission.

Yes, our country has been attacked by communistic principals for well over a 100 years and it began predominately in the late 1800's.
Do you drive? Do you use electricity? Do you have internet access? Have you ever been hospitalized? Educated in a public school? Have clean water to drink? Have safe foods? Gotten a flu shot? Your taxes at work - pooled funds to provide services and benefits to the country as a whole. You can't separate out the people who you feel are 'undeserving', and you benefit directly from taxation. So, quit the moaning about being against all taxes. It is shortsighted and utterly disingenuous.
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