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Old 01-05-2017, 10:58 PM
 
Location: Gone
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well im 100% percent white.

Anyway, the white class in Mexico makes possible that Mexico would not seems as Haiti or Honduras. Thanks to white immigration to Mexico, exists large companies here.

White Mexicans boomed south texas and San Antonio.

Being white in Mexico is a nightmare
Ok, your point is?


Nonsense.


More nonsense.


Maybe for you, especially you do not seem to like a lot of your fellow Mexicans very much. Maybe you should find a place more to your liking and move to it, I would if I did not like a place and have, just common sense.
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Old 01-05-2017, 11:03 PM
 
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I hope they use some of the profits to pay the garbage men. They need to get some.

They should have some signs that say "No Littering" and public garbage cans. That would cheer everybody up over there.
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Old 01-06-2017, 12:55 PM
 
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Theoretically a Mexican coming to the US to work , in a market system, is the least bad kind of immigrant. It is certainly better than say Somali refugees which cannot support themselves and have no will or intention to integrate into anything.
But we are talking illegal immigrants. Many illegal immigrants from Mexico do not have any intention to integrate. They may work, for lower wages and no benefits which drives wages down but they send that money over the boarder. They keep little to live on by cramming 3-4 families in a single family unit, collecting FS and other benefits to supplement their income. In a few years they can go back and live years on that money. They dont learn the language, except by sending their kids to schools where we pay for special language teachers or burden classroom teacher while taking away from English speaking students. I'm aware it is not true for every illegal immigrant, I have seen both sides.

As far as Somali refugees in my area the only work I have seen them do is in the field picking produce. They are housed in what I assume is government housing units. I really dont know if or at what rate they integrate. But they are here legally.
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Old 01-06-2017, 01:11 PM
 
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i think we need a mexican border wall with no gates
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Old 01-06-2017, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Hougary, Texberta
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i think we need a mexican border wall with no gates
So you're in favor of amnesty and keeping all the illegals then?
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Old 01-06-2017, 01:49 PM
 
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But we are talking illegal immigrants. Many illegal immigrants from Mexico do not have any intention to integrate. They may work, for lower wages and no benefits which drives wages down but they send that money over the boarder. They keep little to live on by cramming 3-4 families in a single family unit, collecting FS and other benefits to supplement their income. In a few years they can go back and live years on that money. They dont learn the language, except by sending their kids to schools where we pay for special language teachers or burden classroom teacher while taking away from English speaking students. I'm aware it is not true for every illegal immigrant, I have seen both sides.

As far as Somali refugees in my area the only work I have seen them do is in the field picking produce. They are housed in what I assume is government housing units. I really dont know if or at what rate they integrate. But they are here legally.

Well yes, cramming into living spaces does reset the subsistence level...anyhow. I did address the social safety net as the main problem.

What I am saying is migrating to work is the least bad. Its the people that come here to become leaches. They have free time to promote themselves more political benefits ,and to engage in crime. The wall is the least effective measure. So long as easy rewards remain, it is only a stop gap. The way it used to be is if people did not do well, they left. The Islamic migrant problem in Europe is a joke. They successfully go on public assistance. If the host country were not socialist, they wouldn't be there.

Lets not exaggerate the Latino problem. Its a policy problem , our policy.
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Old 01-06-2017, 02:05 PM
 
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Well yes, cramming into living spaces does reset the subsistence level...anyhow. I did address the social safety net as the main problem.

What I am saying is migrating to work is the least bad. Its the people that come here to become leaches. They have free time to promote themselves more political benefits ,and to engage in crime. The wall is the least effective measure. So long as easy rewards remain, it is only a stop gap. The way it used to be is if people did not do well, they left. The Islamic migrant problem in Europe is a joke. They successfully go on public assistance. If the host country were not socialist, they wouldn't be there.

Lets not exaggerate the Latino problem. Its a policy problem , our policy.
To be fair: the ONLY reason it's a "Latino" problem is because MOST illegal aliens are some kind of "Hispanic". If MOST illegals were Irish; we'd be talking about the "Irish problem" and, I'm OF Irish family.
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Old 01-06-2017, 02:13 PM
 
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All his anti-Mexican rhetoric has led to this...lol



Mexico Proposes Legislation To Counter Border Wall Expansion | Fronteras Desk
History repeats itself--
How do you think the Saudis got all the infrastructure for their oil system---
Took it over from the companies that had the contracts and built it and thought they had an agreement with SA to continue the partnership until the oil was gone...
Same way the Suez Canal was confiscated after European and American money went to build it and run it

Mexico has done this before when it nationalized its oil industry in the 30s---
You know American companies were involved in discovering and producing the oil

List of countries with nationalizations they have gone through---
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...ons_by_country
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Old 01-06-2017, 02:25 PM
 
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But we are talking illegal immigrants. Many illegal immigrants from Mexico do not have any intention to integrate. They may work, for lower wages and no benefits which drives wages down but they send that money over the boarder. They keep little to live on by cramming 3-4 families in a single family unit, collecting FS and other benefits to supplement their income. In a few years they can go back and live years on that money. They dont learn the language, except by sending their kids to schools where we pay for special language teachers or burden classroom teacher while taking away from English speaking students. I'm aware it is not true for every illegal immigrant, I have seen both sides.

As far as Somali refugees in my area the only work I have seen them do is in the field picking produce. They are housed in what I assume is government housing units. I really dont know if or at what rate they integrate. But they are here legally.
I worked for the state of TX in the 90s in Health and Human Services as caseworker certifying people for food stamps and AFDC and Medicaid (usually kids and pregnant women)...
Anyone who came in to us in the DFW TX area that wanted benefits and appeared to be foreign--either because of lack of English or appearance--had to show documentation of legal residence or birth...
I saw and dealt with many legal immigrants--at one time I had the Nguyen caseload in Arlington TX which was basically every Vietnamese in town--hundreds--some of whom were old enough to be remnants from Vietnam War's end--most of whom were totally fraudulent in what they portrayed as their poverty situation but the state didn't put lot of effort into stamping out fraud...

BUT We didn't give food stamps to illegal citizens---but it is pretty far fetched to think that a mother and father who are illegal and not entitled to eat food purchased with food stamps are going to cook separate meals -- one for themselves and one for their legal children...

The crux of the problem was that children born in the US to parents who were illegal could have parents apply for benefits for their children--and they still can do that if they want to risk being turned over to La Migra---
Caseworkers aren't supposed to do that because info is supposed to be private
But we had one or two instances of INS people staking out our office and doing random sweeps...

Many of the illegal immigrants are solely males--their wives and kids stay home--and they come to work, send money home religiously, and return there seasonally--like at Christmas...
Have a friend in DFW area who was builder and used illegal labor for jobs like masonry---they can be real craftsmen--work hard--and are dependable--and of course are less expensive...but he used them because on cold days when it would be really bad to work in a house because there was no heat...his guys would show up with butane heaters (what they used in their shacks) and they would be working because they wanted to finish and go on to next job---

I know there are illegals who are doing bad things--selling drugs--steal---but frankly there are plenty of Americans doing that too---
I think most illegals are aware how precarious their position is and don't want to cause trouble---
I just know that INS often is pretty unscrupulous about how/why it chooses to deport illegals...
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Old 01-06-2017, 03:16 PM
 
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I worked for the state of TX in the 90s in Health and Human Services as caseworker certifying people for food stamps and AFDC and Medicaid (usually kids and pregnant women)...
Anyone who came in to us in the DFW TX area that wanted benefits and appeared to be foreign--either because of lack of English or appearance--had to show documentation of legal residence or birth...
I saw and dealt with many legal immigrants--at one time I had the Nguyen caseload in Arlington TX which was basically every Vietnamese in town--hundreds--some of whom were old enough to be remnants from Vietnam War's end--most of whom were totally fraudulent in what they portrayed as their poverty situation but the state didn't put lot of effort into stamping out fraud...

BUT We didn't give food stamps to illegal citizens---but it is pretty far fetched to think that a mother and father who are illegal and not entitled to eat food purchased with food stamps are going to cook separate meals -- one for themselves and one for their legal children...

The crux of the problem was that children born in the US to parents who were illegal could have parents apply for benefits for their children--and they still can do that if they want to risk being turned over to La Migra---
Caseworkers aren't supposed to do that because info is supposed to be private
But we had one or two instances of INS people staking out our office and doing random sweeps...

Many of the illegal immigrants are solely males--their wives and kids stay home--and they come to work, send money home religiously, and return there seasonally--like at Christmas...
Have a friend in DFW area who was builder and used illegal labor for jobs like masonry---they can be real craftsmen--work hard--and are dependable--and of course are less expensive...but he used them because on cold days when it would be really bad to work in a house because there was no heat...his guys would show up with butane heaters (what they used in their shacks) and they would be working because they wanted to finish and go on to next job---

I know there are illegals who are doing bad things--selling drugs--steal---but frankly there are plenty of Americans doing that too---
I think most illegals are aware how precarious their position is and don't want to cause trouble---
I just know that INS often is pretty unscrupulous about how/why it chooses to deport illegals...

And this leads to the other problem which might even be worse, legal immigrants who go on welfare.
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