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What about this is ownership? It's about curtailing the spread of disease and keeping the general health of the population secure. The plague did not discriminate based on how hard someone worked and what was fair and what wasn't.
What?
If it were ONLY about curtailing diseases, there could be some argument to be made that it is the fed's responsibility. But how is anything other than preventing diseases that could affect the general population for the greater good of society?
You want to abuse your OWN body for your entire life, don't expect me to pick up the tab when you fall apart.
America is not leery of Medicare at all, which is a government single payer system. America loves it. GOP hates it, but that shouldnt prevent us from expanding it into a Medicare-for-all system.
Expand medicare on the sliding scale. Lower the age requirment to 55, removing higher risk from the pool. Lower the age overtime allowing state regulated for-profits to offer supplemental coverage. Negotiate pharmaceuticals costs.
America is not leery of Medicare at all, which is a government single payer system. America loves it. GOP hates it, but that shouldnt prevent us from expanding it into a Medicare-for-all system.
Medicare allows people to blow their life savings on vacations and junk and then sticking the cost of caring for them for 30 years to other taxpayers.
Recipients will use up every penny they contributed to the plan over their lifetime with one visit to a doctor.
It is the equivalent of buying a life insurance policy six months before you die. One premium payment and a windfall to your beneficiary.
I skipped a bunch of pages but..........many who are against the idea of Universal Health care also support our current path of going after businesses that send jobs elsewhere. It would be far easier for companies to compete if they were not the ones largely responsible for providing health care insurance.
That plus in general the population is pretty poorly educated and doesn't have the basic critical skills necessary to see why this is the way to go amongst other issues. They vote for principle rather than policy. We're a society of blaming others for our problems but never taking the blame ourselves.
I don't really agree. I think there are several ways people attempt having a good healthcare system. In all honesty they all have their good and bad side effects. Obamacare was first praised and then after time and reality set in most people realized it wasn't a working system. We will try Trump and see if that works, if not then people might be more receptive to a single payer system. It would be a cheaper option for each individual and account for those who don't pay into the system but I think people just fear lack of good coverage. I don't agree that they are poorly educated or name callers. It's hard to know how a system will work in our country without trying it, even for the highly educated. Lots of dynamics at play there.
The single payer isn't without fault in other countries either. It's just available to everyone.
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The doctor has his/her own fees, which are high. You can see that hospital charge separately on your bill. Your insurance contracts it down, but it's still high. They usually charge $100??/5 minutes (visit) when you're in the hospital, to walk in and say "How are you," and say a few things and leave. Maybe it's more. That's what they do, too.
Many charges in a hospital are price gouged. That's why people go to Mexico or Brazil or C. America for their operations I suppose--if they can. It's a monopoly. Don't see what people can do if they have to go to a hospital, but pay the market price for the service. Or, die, which probably will happen to many people in the future if they can't pay. Or, the ones who can pay will pay and have higher premiums.
Median income of a general practitioner (family doctor) in the US is $138,000.
Expand medicare on the sliding scale. Lower the age requirment to 55, removing higher risk from the pool. Lower the age overtime allowing state regulated for-profits to offer supplemental coverage. Negotiate pharmaceuticals costs.
Problem solved.
Actually, not a bad idea. People could afford a rise early on, and benefit from medicare earlier when health normally declines. Sounds pretty good.
average wage — $44,600 per spouse at 65 in 2010 paid $722,000 into Social Security and Medicare They'll take out an average of $966,000 in benefits. So about 1/3 the benefits vs what they paid in taxes. Now, that money sitting in an interest account would make more.
1) Everyone joins the Medicare/Medicaid system and health insurance companies are almost completely eliminated.
2) Raise the medicare/medicaid tax to help fund the massive increase of people in the system. Remember that you and your employer no longer has to pay for health insurance.
3) Now that the medicare/medicaid system has control, they also have the ability to tell hospitals and pharmaceutical companies "sorry, that $8000 MRI you billed should cost no more than $500. Here's a check for $500" and "sorry, that $50 bandaid costs $1 at CVS, here's $5 to cover the cost of the bandaid plus applying it to the patient".
But because of lobbyists in the insurance, medical, and pharmaceutical industries, this will almost never happen.
Since Trump seems to listen to the public over constituents then maybe that will be the new proposal. I'm excited to see what transpires. He definitely leans toward a populist president. Hopefully he'll tweet about it.
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