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Why anyone wouldn't want this type of easy coverage is beyond me.
Some politicians started up with the whole "death panels" and "it's socialism!" hyperbole because they are most likely paid off by insurance and pharmaceutical companies. The sheeple buy into it.
I wish some of these sheeple would get out and explore the world and realize that in most other countries you don't have to fear being penniless because you had to go to the hospital. Heck, even a few stitches, some bandages, and some medication is enough to put 90% of Americans in the poor house.
Some politicians started up with the whole "death panels" and "it's socialism!" hyperbole because they are most likely paid off by insurance and pharmaceutical companies. The sheeple buy into it.
I wish some of these sheeple would get out and explore the world and realize that in most other countries you don't have to fear being penniless because you had to go to the hospital. Heck, even a few stitches, some bandages, and some medication is enough to put 90% of Americans in the poor house.
I'm fairly aware of what happens in some parts of the US since I used to have family there, but still have friends.
It varies greatly on each persons position, but in the end in almost every measure, Americans end up paying much more out of pocket than Canadians do.
Some of the premiums and deductibles are astounding to Canadians.
I'm fairly aware of what happens in the US since I used to have family there, but still have friends.
It varies greatly on each persons position, but in the end in almost every measure, Americans end up paying much more out of pocket than Canadians do.
Some of the premiums and deductibles are astounding to Canadians.
I was in Europe back in December and was talking with a friend in France. He showed me one of his pay stubs and about 20-25% of his salary is deducted for taxes and other fees.
Interestingly enough, most Americans lose a similar amount to taxes and FICA, and potentially WAY more if they pay for their own insurance.
Some politicians started up with the whole "death panels" and "it's socialism!" hyperbole because they are most likely paid off by insurance and pharmaceutical companies. The sheeple buy into it.
I covered this earlier and no one touched it then. Probably won't now.
We have "death panels". There is no hyperbole to it. Unless you can fork out the money yourself you can't get just any procedure covered. Even then you might not be able to.
If you are 90 with a failing heart no insurance is going to cover a heart transplant and you aren't going to get one anyway.
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I wish some of these sheeple would get out and explore the world and realize that in most other countries you don't have to fear being penniless because you had to go to the hospital. Heck, even a few stitches, some bandages, and some medication is enough to put 90% of Americans in the poor house.
I want the same thing but the best way to do that is to be honest. We have been greatly lacking that.
I was in Europe back in December and was talking with a friend in France. He showed me one of his pay stubs and about 20-25% of his salary is deducted for taxes and other fees.
Interestingly enough, most Americans lose a similar amount to taxes and FICA, and potentially WAY more if they pay for their own insurance.
Comparing taxation can get complicated, especially between countries. People tend to focus on sales tax and income tax. However property tax, and other taxes like an inheritance tax, which doesn't exist in Canada can make wild variations between people living similar lives in different places.
Also what you GET for your taxes. It may not be called taxes, but fees for government services play a role as well. This is where it gets really complicated. One service may be charged in one place, but covered by your taxes in another.
People usually go by disposable income after taxes...but again as you pointed out, if you are paying for things out of that disposable income that others get covered in their taxes, disposable income doesn't mean so much.
Comparing taxation can get complicated, especially between countries. People tend to focus on sales tax and income tax. However property tax, and other taxes like an inheritance tax, which doesn't exist in Canada can make wild variations between people living similar lives in different places.
Also what you GET for your taxes. It may not be called taxes, but fees for government services play a role as well. This is where it gets really complicated. One service may be charged in one place, but covered by your taxes in another.
People usually go by disposable income after taxes...but again as you pointed out, if you are paying for things out of that disposable income that others get covered in their taxes, disposable income doesn't mean so much.
It's very true. Europe has rather high sales tax/VAT on most items. Things that cost $5 here in the US might cost 7-8 Euros in Europe. But then again, it's very regional. A glass of beer in NYC is probably $5-10. In Central Europe it's around $1.
NYC has a much higher cost of living than rural France, just like NYC has a much higher cost of living than rural Nebraska.
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Originally Posted by pknopp
I covered this earlier and no one touched it then. Probably won't now.
We have "death panels". There is no hyperbole to it. Unless you can fork out the money yourself you can't get just any procedure covered. Even then you might not be able to.
If you are 90 with a failing heart no insurance is going to cover a heart transplant and you aren't going to get one anyway.
In that case, I guess we have death panels in the US as well. A 90yr old lady would NEVER get that heart transplant here. Even a pastor black veteran with a purple heart would have to wait quite some time.
I covered this earlier and no one touched it then. Probably won't now.
We have "death panels". There is no hyperbole to it. Unless you can fork out the money yourself you can't get just any procedure covered. Even then you might not be able to.
If you are 90 with a failing heart no insurance is going to cover a heart transplant and you aren't going to get one anyway.
Because insurance is about risk vs. reward. They don't care if the 90 year old dies. Same as if you get into a car accident and it's declared total vs. fixed up at a shop. The only difference is, this is about people's lives and their families. If you're 90 and in this situation you might not want it, but your family doesn't want to see you go. Your family tells the doctor damn it do everything you can. Some people can't seem to see through the $ signs and the real meaning of life.
In that case, I guess we have death panels in the US as well. A 90yr old lady would NEVER get that heart transplant here. Even a pastor black veteran with a purple heart would have to wait quite some time.
I was speaking about the U.S. Yes, we have "death panels" and always will. It is not hyperbole to understand and acknowledge that.
Granted the GOP used it to scare people and that is hardly any more legitimate.
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