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Old 01-07-2017, 12:36 AM
 
Location: New York, NY
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Loving a nation's people and loving that nation's leadership are two entirely different things.

Putin's intentions are very clear. He means to get Russian goods and services firmly implanted into the west while developing his mother country as completely as western Europe and north America. Those are his goals, and he intends to reach them.

Russia is huge, so his goals are too. Putin has no compunction when it comes to meeting his goals. If he can use warfare to extend his nation's influence to its betterment, then that's what he will use. He will use technology for the same purpose, diplomacy for the same purpose, and internal power for the same purpose.

He plans to lead Russia for the rest of his life, whether in or out of office, and has always been triumphant in this. As a national leader, he now has longer and deeper experience at dominating his country's politics than any other leaders in the world outside of those in Asia and the Middle East.

He's the fiddler who comes to town with a poisoned blade in his pocket. Let him in the dance hall, and he'll play a pretty tune and demand payment. If he doesn't get it, he'll stab you out in the alley with the blade after the dance is over.

Just a little prick, hardly more than a scratch, if that's all he needs. If he needs more, then he'll cut your head off with the same blade. No one asked for the dance, but that doesn't matter. Once he's in town, somebody will pay, one way or the other.

Trump is playing Putin like a little fiddle, just like he has done to the media.

Remember who wrote The Art of The Deal - here's a hint. It wasn't Putin.
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Old 01-07-2017, 01:56 AM
 
Location: England
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Trump is playing Putin like a little fiddle, just like he has done to the media.

Remember who wrote The Art of The Deal - here's a hint. It wasn't Putin.
And it wasn't Trump either, it was Tony Schwartz. It took Schwartz over a year to write 'The art of the deal' because, in his own words, 'Trump was pathologically impulsive and self centered'

Schwartz said that when he finished the book he felt like he 'had put lipstick on a pig' and if he could have, he would have changed the title from the art of the deal, to The Sociopath.

Putin will run rings around Trump, he's an idiot, that's why the Russians wanted him in the oval office.
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Old 01-07-2017, 02:06 AM
 
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Putin is playing Trump, I agree on that. I don't think Trump is a stable person. I just can't believe the American public is that stupid to vote for that Orange Fool. I was wrong, obviously.
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Old 01-07-2017, 02:18 AM
 
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The United States and "Russia" (aka. Prussia, USSR, Russia) have been allies and friendly towards one another for the majority of our nations' existance.

We had treaties and alliances signed by Thomas Jefferson. We fought side by side in WW1 and WW2.

Then Stalin destroyed US/Soviet relations with his adherence to Communism, imperialism, and abysmal human rights record.

Reagan famously ended the Cold War when reformist Mikhail Gorbechev promoted Perestroika and Glasnost.

Putin and George W. were friendly and Putin supported our anti-terrorism efforts after 9/11.

Hillary presented a 'reset button' in 2009.

From personal experience, I speak to Russians often via Amateur Radio and visit with them at IT conferences - they LOVE the united states... they are not our enemy.

So tell me liberals - why all of a sudden do we hate the Russians again? They no longer oppress their people, they embrace and encourage capitalism, and generally fight alongside us whenever major conflicts break out.

is this just an example of "the friend of my enemy (Trump) is my enemy"?
Did Stain destroy the good relationship with communism, imperialism and abysmal human right record? Is that the reason?

The US doesn't hate any of these as long as they serve US interest. As much as Americans tend to believe the US government care about human rights in other countries, it does not. Its decades long alliance with Saudi Araba, Qatar and Bahrain etc are good examples. These regimes are far more oppressive and brutal than Syria, Libya or Iraq, which in comparison are all secular and liberal.

What matter is whether these countries are pro-America in helping it to secure power and energy supply in whatever region it has interest in. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that, but it is just laughable for the US government often to mention human rights or the poor people when they start engaging wars elsewhere, as if that is what they care about.

Regarding Russia, the typical western propaganda agains it is just breath taking, so much so that so many gullible people just form this kneel jerk resentment toward Russia although they don't really find any concrete reasons.

Russia being anti-gay? It is definitely not a gay friendly country. But put aside Saudi Arab where being gay is punishable by death, countries like Singapore are no more friendly with homosexuality either. How many Americans hate Singapore? In fact, most love it.

Russia being imperialist? ha-ha-ha. Last time I checked, Russia has a rather limited sphere of influence. You don't see Russia meddling in the internal affairs of any country in the world, have military bases stationed on every continent, or overthrowing and planting governments as it wishes all the time. Who is the imperialist? Who invade half a dozen countries even in the 21st century? Not russia.

Even today, France could still send its jet fighters to Africa to put down any undesirable unrest that displeases her, and Britain still keeps islands in the very south of the world 1 million miles of London with its military forces (and Gibraltar in Spain, among other things), yet nobody is calling France or Britain imperialist.

Note: Prussia has nothing to do with Russia, although its former capital Konigsberg is part of Russia now.
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Old 01-07-2017, 02:20 AM
 
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Putin is playing Trump, I agree on that. I don't think Trump is a stable person. I just can't believe the American public is that stupid to vote for that Orange Fool. I was wrong, obviously.
between Trump and Clinton, there is no good ending anyway.
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Old 01-07-2017, 02:26 AM
 
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We will be after Jan 20th.
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Old 01-07-2017, 02:33 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Probably because they're white.
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Old 01-07-2017, 03:38 AM
 
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Russians don't like gay people! They are hateful, misogynistic, racist, anti-illegal-immigration and anti-gay just like Trump.
Good to know Saudi Arabia are none of those things.

Russia does not incarcerate its citizens for being active homosexuals. The US on the other hand incarcerates more of its citizens than any nation on earth for using marijuana or cocaine, whilst religiously preaching the government has no right to tell a woman what to do with her body if she wants to kill her child. (But apparently has the right to tell her what to do with her body if she has no children and wants to smoke a marijuana joint or rock of heroin).

That the US has homeless sleeping all over the streets but will pay for incarcerated convicted murderers to have a sex change does not make the US a new Holy Israel commissioned by God to spread its Gospel across earth by sword and hate.

Of course liberals looooooove to pontificate how cannibal societies and Aztecs practicing human sacrifices weren't bad, just "different."

Maybe if the USA embraces NAMBLA and Russia rejects Man-Boy-Lover-Associations the Americans can preach war and hatred against the Russians for being deviants for not embracing and spreading American orthodox sexual norms of grown men taking young boys as lovers. And then preach how American love and secularism is proof you can be a country of saints by rejecting Jesus and sinking the crucifix in a jar of urine as art. The American proof will be most Americans embracing NAMBLA.
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Old 01-07-2017, 03:41 AM
 
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Did Stain destroy the good relationship with communism, imperialism and abysmal human right record? Is that the reason?

The US doesn't hate any of these as long as they serve US interest. As much as Americans tend to believe the US government care about human rights in other countries, it does not. Its decades long alliance with Saudi Araba, Qatar and Bahrain etc are good examples. These regimes are far more oppressive and brutal than Syria, Libya or Iraq, which in comparison are all secular and liberal.

What matter is whether these countries are pro-America in helping it to secure power and energy supply in whatever region it has interest in. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that, but it is just laughable for the US government often to mention human rights or the poor people when they start engaging wars elsewhere, as if that is what they care about.

Regarding Russia, the typical western propaganda agains it is just breath taking, so much so that so many gullible people just form this kneel jerk resentment toward Russia although they don't really find any concrete reasons.

Russia being anti-gay? It is definitely not a gay friendly country. But put aside Saudi Arab where being gay is punishable by death, countries like Singapore are no more friendly with homosexuality either. How many Americans hate Singapore? In fact, most love it.

Russia being imperialist? ha-ha-ha. Last time I checked, Russia has a rather limited sphere of influence. You don't see Russia meddling in the internal affairs of any country in the world, have military bases stationed on every continent, or overthrowing and planting governments as it wishes all the time. Who is the imperialist? Who invade half a dozen countries even in the 21st century? Not russia.

Even today, France could still send its jet fighters to Africa to put down any undesirable unrest that displeases her, and Britain still keeps islands in the very south of the world 1 million miles of London with its military forces (and Gibraltar in Spain, among other things), yet nobody is calling France or Britain imperialist.

Note: Prussia has nothing to do with Russia, although its former capital Konigsberg is part of Russia now.
Good post.
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Old 01-07-2017, 07:30 AM
 
Location: Some Airport Transit Zone
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Originally Posted by botticelli View Post
Did Stain destroy the good relationship with communism, imperialism and abysmal human right record? Is that the reason?

The US doesn't hate any of these as long as they serve US interest. As much as Americans tend to believe the US government care about human rights in other countries, it does not. Its decades long alliance with Saudi Araba, Qatar and Bahrain etc are good examples. These regimes are far more oppressive and brutal than Syria, Libya or Iraq, which in comparison are all secular and liberal.

What matter is whether these countries are pro-America in helping it to secure power and energy supply in whatever region it has interest in. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that, but it is just laughable for the US government often to mention human rights or the poor people when they start engaging wars elsewhere, as if that is what they care about.

Regarding Russia, the typical western propaganda agains it is just breath taking, so much so that so many gullible people just form this kneel jerk resentment toward Russia although they don't really find any concrete reasons.

Russia being anti-gay? It is definitely not a gay friendly country. But put aside Saudi Arab where being gay is punishable by death, countries like Singapore are no more friendly with homosexuality either. How many Americans hate Singapore? In fact, most love it.

Russia being imperialist? ha-ha-ha. Last time I checked, Russia has a rather limited sphere of influence. You don't see Russia meddling in the internal affairs of any country in the world, have military bases stationed on every continent, or overthrowing and planting governments as it wishes all the time. Who is the imperialist? Who invade half a dozen countries even in the 21st century? Not russia.

Even today, France could still send its jet fighters to Africa to put down any undesirable unrest that displeases her, and Britain still keeps islands in the very south of the world 1 million miles of London with its military forces (and Gibraltar in Spain, among other things), yet nobody is calling France or Britain imperialist..
Great post! Spot on!
Hypocrisy, double standards and false statements of some posters here are just stunning. Moreover, their conclusions have nothing to do with reality at all. But they don't aware of it. They just keep parroting anti-Russia (anti-Putin) propaganda bullship and are very happy of their own 'understanding' of things.
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