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There's trying to influence, and then there's TRYING TO INFLUENCE.
Most countries were looking out for their own interests. But Putin's agenda wasn't just to look out for Russia, it was to devalue and discredit our election process. It was much more of an attack on American democracy than the interest other countries take in who we elect as President.
Did Putin write those emails?
You know who are devaluing and discrediting our election process? The liberal media, DNC, Hillary Clinton, Obama, Jill Stein and all the lefty snowflakes.
Crimea is not the USA. But it is part of Eastern Europe. And it is part of the Ukraine, which is an ally of the United States. We have an interest in the stability of Eastern Europe. We have allies in Eastern Europe. Allies that were once absorbed, unwillingly, into the Soviet Union, and allies which do not want to become part of the Soviet Union again.
Did you ask the people in Crimea? You would probably get a completely different answer.
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Syria and Assad. It's everyone's business when a leader starts bombing, starving, killing and using chemical warfare against his own people, including innocent non-combatants, in an effort to put down a rebellion. Especially when the demands made by rebels were not unreasonable to begin with. Hitler's brutality against Jews was everyone's interest. Assad's brutality against his own people is everyone's interest.
Oh stop your BS. We have never given a crap about any of these reasons. The entire world sat and watched Rwanda genocide. Hitler's brutality against Jews was NOT anybody's business until it went outside of German borders - it was never our business until they sank our ships.
Please get your history right. We, the United States, bombed, starved, killed, and gassed far more innocent people than Assad. If that's the criteria, the US should have been invaded and occupied by UN forces a LONG time ago.
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If you think we were wrong for interfering in other countries, then you cannot defend Russia's interference in ours. It's not about high ground. It's about the fact that Russia interfered, not because they wanted the election to come out a certain way, but because they wanted to discredit the entire process. Elections in Russia aren't exactly the epitome of democracy, and they wanted to lump our elections in that same category.
Once again, no evidence the Russia did anything. It's all hearsay. Russians didn't write those emails or fake news that discredited our democratic election.
You know who are devaluing and discrediting our election process? The liberal media, DNC, Hillary Clinton, Obama, Jill Stein and all the lefty snowflakes.
And since it didn't interest the Russians to hack the RNC, we'll never read the e-mails of the righty snowflakes.
Hint, though: politics are a dirty business. And the e-mails and strategies of the right could be interpreted to be every bit as bad as those on the left. Funny how all the leaks from Wikileaks were directed against the Clintons, whom Assange hates and is waging a vendetta against. Putin played the election like a fiddle, but his intent was to depict a flawed democracy. His intent was to devalue the principles of the United States.
We can't be friends because the Obama administration doesn't like how the Russians run their country. They don't like their "human rights" issues regarding discrimination . The problem is , that is their culture. Nobody should tell someone how to run their country .
The entire Russian scheme is to undermine the truthful information and content of the emails. If you noticed during the debates, Hillary never denied the emails content. She simply confused Americans with the Russian hacking. It created a diversion. All the sudden no one cares about the emails or their damaging content. All they care about is Russian hacking. As you can see in the main stream media. Whats the current headline?
Funny thing about that. Saudi, Iran and virtually every other Islamic country has a far, far worse record on "human rights" than modern day Russia (since the Soviet era). They ban other religions outright, discriminate against those that are not Islamists, murder gays and endorse child sexual abuse and stone women to death. Yet not one squeak from Obama about that. Yet when Putin implies that guests of Russia should assimilate to Russian culture, rather than the opposite...and Obama gets his panties in a wad.
Dems have been looking for a new scapegoat for some time now. It was the "religious right". Then the NRA. Then the "alt-right". Now that Russia has abandoned communism they are fair game as the latest target of opportunity.
Honestly though, in the eyes of the left, the bigger "sin" of Putin was his failure to bow down to Obama and acknowledge his superior intellect and statesmanship. Obama is a weak, childish, petty man, and is seen that way by most foreign leaders (let alone by most of this country). Insulting a petulant narcissist that happens to control the world's most powerful military can be....risky.
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And since it didn't interest the Russians to hack the RNC, we'll never read the e-mails of the righty snowflakes.
Hint, though: politics are a dirty business. And the e-mails and strategies of the right could be interpreted to be every bit as bad as those on the left. Funny how all the leaks from Wikileaks were directed against the Clintons, whom Assange hates and is waging a vendetta against. Putin played the election like a fiddle, but his intent was to depict a flawed democracy. His intent was to devalue the principles of the United States.
Could there be nothing corrupt to release? At least that's a possibility, no? Just because DNC is bad, you can't automatically assume RNC is just as bad, can you? That's just dishonest and it's a projection of your own corruption onto others.
You said this like you know the evidence that definitely proved Putin hacked DNC. If so, show us the evidence.
Crimea is not the USA. But it is part of Eastern Europe. And it is part of the Ukraine, which is an ally of the United States.
Tell me about the history that you know of on Crimea. Its not Ukrainian in anything but a hastily drawn border done in an era of extortion.
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We have an interest in the stability of Eastern Europe.
No "we" don't. That is why it was destabilized.
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We have allies in Eastern Europe. Allies that were once absorbed, unwillingly, into the Soviet Union, and allies which do not want to become part of the Soviet Union again.
Even the Russians were unwillingly absorbed into the Soviet Union. Ukrainians, Latvians, Estonians, Jews etc helped with the absorption aka the defeat of the Russian Empire. The Soviet Union was a multi-ethnic workers paradise that the Russians slowly gained prominence again after several decades. However most of the Russian were still captives of the Soviets.
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Syria and Assad. It's everyone's business when a leader starts bombing, starving, killing and using chemical warfare against his own people, including innocent non-combatants, in an effort to put down a rebellion. Especially when the demands made by rebels were not unreasonable to begin with. Hitler's brutality against Jews was everyone's interest. Assad's brutality against his own people is everyone's interest.
Pfft. As if they is not in serious dispute. Its is very probable that the rebels used it since they had everything to gain. You think Assad is that stupid?
If you think we were wrong for interfering in other countries, then you cannot defend Russia's interference in ours. It's not about high ground. It's about the fact that Russia interfered, not because they wanted the election to come out a certain way, but because they wanted to discredit the entire process. Elections in Russia aren't exactly the epitome of democracy, and they wanted to lump our elections in that same category.
What interference, their news channel that defends the constant slander our media makes against them?
Did you ask the people in Crimea? You would probably get a completely different answer.
OH, Crimea isn't in Eastern Europe? It wasn't part of Ukraine? Okay. My bad.
Oh stop your BS. We have never given a crap about any of these reasons. The entire world sat and watched Rwanda genocide. Hitler's brutality against Jews was NOT anybody's business until it went outside of German borders - it was never our business until they sank our ships.
I don't know what kind of person you are, but human beings do give a crap.
Please get your history right. We, the United States, bombed, starved, killed, and gassed far more innocent people than Assad. If that's the criteria, the US should have been invaded and occupied by UN forces a LONG time ago.
Assad can be stopped. That's the criteria.
Once again, no evidence the Russia did anything. It's all hearsay. Russians didn't write those emails or fake news that discredited our democratic election.
Trump, is that you? Because, no, it isn't "all hearsay". Our intelligence services aren't making stuff up. Russia played a hand, and a heavy hand at that, in disrupting this past election. And they didn't do it because they wanted to be our friends.
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