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Old 01-06-2017, 04:55 PM
 
Location: New York, NY
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How so? A compromised email didn't cost Hillary anything. The content of emails did. The content which some may have found to be questionable.
If it were reversed and it was the GOP emails and Trumps the left would be calling out the authors, not the messenger.
He was just kidding
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Old 01-06-2017, 04:55 PM
 
Location: on the edge of Sanity
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It's another Obama led lie. The election was shocking -and they don't want to blame themselves. No evidence pointing to Russia.

If Hillary won, the Russians would never have been mentioned.


After all the evidence presented by the U.S. intelligence community, anyone who makes such a comment is being deliberately obtuse.
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Old 01-06-2017, 05:07 PM
 
Location: United States
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After all the evidence presented by the U.S. intelligence community, anyone who makes such a comment is being deliberately obtuse.
List all of this evidence.

So far there has been two reports released, and not a single piece of evidence was presented in either report.
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Old 01-06-2017, 05:09 PM
 
Location: Maine
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After all the evidence presented by the U.S. intelligence community, anyone who makes such a comment is being deliberately obtuse.
Got a link with all this so called evidence? Ya didn't think so.

Maybe all the evidence about the Russian hacking is..... Sitting on top of all the missing WMD from the Gulf War, You know all those WMD the CIA said was in Iraq and you Liberal's said didn't exist.

Liberal hypocrisy never fails to amuse me.

RR
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Old 01-06-2017, 05:09 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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After all the evidence presented by the U.S. intelligence community, anyone who makes such a comment is being deliberately obtuse.

Indeed. If observations such as this, taken from the declassified report aren't evidence, I don't know what is:

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We also assess Putin and the Russian Government aspired to help President-elect Trump’s election chances when possible by discrediting Secretary Clinton and publicly contrasting her unfavorably to him. All three agencies agree with this judgment. CIA and FBI have high confidence in this judgment; NSA has moderate confidence
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Old 01-06-2017, 05:14 PM
 
Location: United States
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Indeed. If observations such as this, taken from the declassified report aren't evidence, I don't know what is:

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We also assess Putin and the Russian Government aspired to help President-elect Trump’s election chances when possible by discrediting Secretary Clinton and publicly contrasting her unfavorably to him. All three agencies agree with this judgment. CIA and FBI have high confidence in this judgment; NSA has moderate confidence
Yes, the US, and most EU nation's msm did this to Trump, was this interfering with the US election?

Maybe Obama will start ordering sanctions against EU nations for interfering with the elections.
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Old 01-06-2017, 05:15 PM
 
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After all the evidence presented by the U.S. intelligence community, anyone who makes such a comment is being deliberately obtuse.
Do you think it is fair, for President Obama to influence Israel elections, or how about the protesting that went on in Russia, before Putin was elected into office?


https://www.yahoo.com/news/putin-thi...77.html?ref=gs
This is the second time in nearly as many weeks that Russia's not-so-subtly reminded the United States that it has nukes. Putin's targeting of Clinton in particular comes after her remarks that “Russian voters deserve a full investigation of electoral fraud and manipulation" following Sunday's vote. Meanwhile, activists are still planning a major protest Saturday with roughly 29,000 committed to going on Facebook.


Looks like karma was working in Putin's direction. We can't claim others are doing stuff when it's this administration p*ssing people off.
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Old 01-06-2017, 05:17 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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Yes, the US, and most EU nation's msm did this to Trump, was this interfering with the US election?

Maybe Obama will start ordering sanctions against EU nations for interfering with the elections.
In order to not discredit Clinton, they would have to do what we do in America and not report on the Clinton scandals except on websites people are quick to discredit because they're not part of mainstream media.
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Old 01-06-2017, 05:27 PM
 
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Well, the whole thing starts off by saying Russia has been doing these types of things forever, since the Soviet Days but says that the level has increased (or perhaps we just suck now at protecting our info now given new technology).

So the proof that Russia gave the Podesta Emails to Wikileaks is:

1. Putin said it was good they were released on Wikileaks and that the Russian state wasn't involved (so Russia did it b/c they said they didn't)
2. The relationship between Wikileaks and RT - RT gives Assange coverage, they had a visit with him in 2013 and RT claims to have special access to new leaks. Although the report did not substantiate that fact.

What I would expect to see is hard $$$ being passed to Assange from Russia or email communications between the two. Or phone call records. Or some sort of UPS delivery record. Assange doesn't need a platform on RT, he already has a great platform on Wiki. Does US Media not ever collaborate with Assange? Honestly, the video that I've seen of Assange was not on RT. It was on US Media outlets?

So yeah, the above seems like theories (which could be true) but the evidence is light.

I do believe Russia is trying to hack us and will use whatever info they get in the best interest of their country. I do believe they use RT news outlets to push their agenda. But I also do believe we are doing the same thing to them and a host of other countries. Also, I do believe there is media bias in the USA. Maybe not on the level of RT but the very existence of this report and the examples used therein should be a lesson that big media can and will be used by those people in power to meet their agenda.

We'd better get better at protecting our data. If that means political people need to meet and talk in person, so be it.
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Old 01-06-2017, 05:32 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Okay, I'm not working today and had a bit of time to read through this. They feel these things lead to concrete evidence that Russia was responsible for wikileaks and tried to influence our election?

What am I missing?


https://www.scribd.com/document/3358...ce-in-Election
Remember when you were a kid and you told a lie to get away with something but knew at a later date your parents were going to ask you, in some form, about the incident because the natural course of events would expose an inconsistency?

You at least had a few backstory lies or deflections ready when the time came, right? And you did so with no real leverage or ability to cover all your tracks cuz...well...you were a kid vs. adults.

Now imagine having the U.S. government/intel community tell us for weeks that the Russians did x and y in regards to the election. And when the time came to show their hand they produce the joke that they put out this afternoon (basically a late Friday news dump).

That's the best lie they could come up with? With their resources?

On behalf of kids everywhere I express my full embarrassment for this heinous display.
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