Liberals, why is it ok for Mexico to crack down on illegal immigration but not the USA? (Corporate Profits, Mexican)

[middle-aged mom]

Originally Posted by jackwinkelman

People that have committed criminal offenses. Robbery, Murder, Rape etc. need to go. Estimates are 1 to 2 million people are criminal aliens. They need to go. If they are not happy about that too bad.

WSJ reports immigrants, legal and illegal, commit fewer crimes than the native population.

Employment of undocumented workers is the root cause of most illegal immigration. Unless and until e- Verify becomes a federal law with serious consequences for offenders, illegal immigration will continue. No wall is high enough. No patrol is deep enough.

For unknown reasons only a handful of states have chosen to make e-Verify of all employees a state law. Why is this?

Sanctuary cities/ counties began in the late 70's and exploded in the 80's.

Illegal immigration became a tidal wave in the 80's. Amnesty and a pathway were created. Employment of an undocumented worker became a crime. Promises were made to secure the borders. Blah Blah Blah.

Subsequent Congresses preferred to kick the can than do anything to prevent the tidal wave from continuing.

Congress rejected the Bush Admin Plan for Immigration Reform/ Amnesty. The House protected its members from having to stand up and be counted by not voting for the Bipartisan Senate- approved plan.

There are 20,000 ICE employees and not all are agents. They are based in all states and more than 40 countries. How does the match up with an 11-12 million population of illegals?

There are only so many physical jails, courts, judges to process deportation hearings.

Trump Org has floated the idea the Federal Government should fund the wall and figure out how to get Mexico to pay for it.

Congress controls the purse strings.

[Oldglory]

Originally Posted by jackwinkelman

People who have committed crimes here need to be deported first.


Trump: Criminals will be deported first - POLITICO

According to Trump:

Only then, Trump said, will he figure out a plan to deal with the “terrific people” who are in the U.S. illegally but have otherwise clean criminal histories. Securing the border, he said, is a prerequisite for any other action on immigration.

I am fine with that. Lets get the bad people out of here and work something out with the rest. But secure the border or we will have the same issues a few years down the road.

Why should we work something out for the rest? Why reward them for violating our immigration laws? How many of them used a fake or stolen SS number to work here or worked for cash evading taxes? Is that to be swept under the rug and all is forgiven? Do Americans get a pass on those felonies?


Americans need their jobs back and if only the "convicted" criminals are going to be deported how do they get those jobs back? Sorry, we tried amnesty back in 1986 and now we have at least quadruple the number of illegal aliens here today. Proof that amnesty only encourages more to come here. When do these amnesties end? No only that but amnesty would negate our annual quotas for legal immigration for years and years.

[antinimby]

We are too soft. Ironically, we go around the world telling people they are too tough in the name of "human rights." (The western Europeans bought into it so now their countries are being taken over). Meanwhile, in this very tough world, being tough is actually what works.

[Oldglory]

Originally Posted by OnOurWayHome

Agreed. And those who've committed violent crimes should be prioritized for deportation.

Voices: How violent are undocumented immigrants?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.a7f497a210d9

I think undocumented immigrants have become the bogeyman, the scapegoat for all the problems we're having in our country today. And I don't think deporting them all will solve all our problems, but will create plenty of new ones.

They aren't undocumented immigrants they are illegal aliens. Please stop trivializing the negative impact that illegal immigration has had on the American taxpayer/worker by calling it scapegoating. The facts aren't scapegoating for God's sake! No one is saying that illegal immigration is the only serious issue we have in this country but it certainly is one of them. How in the world would deporting them create new problems for us? Are you serious?

[Biker53]

Originally Posted by JGMotorsport64

I do t think anybody is against enforcing the law. But the logistics of rounding up millions of people don't make cost sense and being unnecessarily incendiary towards them isn't productive.

You don't have to round them all up. Many will self-deport if they cannot support themselves here. Add criminal liability for the CEO's or owners of businesses that employ illegals and you'll see jobs for illegals tough to come by real fast. Do the same for homeowners who hire them for yard work or other chores.

Ban their kids from our schools and you'll remove another incentive to stay.

Basically make them ineligible for any entitlement.

While they are self-deporting, put the effort into rounding up the criminal element.

[Oldglory]

Originally Posted by aridon

Because we have crime records and stats that people can read. You should try it.

Believe it or not, considering they are mostly dirt poor their crime rates are pretty similar to whites.

I have no problem with booting people that are here illegally and commit violent crimes. I'd like to see our immigration process simplified as it is RIDICULOUS right now to come here and get residency / citizenship. Even from countries like Canada it is very expensive and takes many years.

As for those that are here, legalize them.

The issue is that many people simply want a "white america" and don't want those dirty browns out breeding us on our own soil. They just don't like admitting that.

We aren't breeding enough and it is causing massive issues with our consumer driven one dimensional consumption based economy. So either give the middle class and poor some wage relief, incentives to have kids or open the doors for immigrants that want to come here. Although I'm sure instead we'll give the very wealthy a reach around.

Legalizing them is rewarding them for violating our immigration laws. Americans need their jobs back. We tried amnesty back in 1986 and it just encouraged more to come here.


Who cares if a minority of citizens want a white America and WTH does "illegal" immigration have to with that when we already allow in 1 million legal immigrants a year from mostly non-white countries? It's ridiculous to pull the race card on the "illegal" immigration issue!


We are breeding plenty enough. A smaller population to fit a smaller economy is much healthier for everyone in so many ways. We don't need a larger population than we have now and in fact
we should reduce our population size as we have a shortage of jobs and resources. So using breeding as an excuse to have more immigrants here either legally or illegally just doesn't fly. Of course we should increase wages for the poor and middle class but it should be to improve their lifestyles not add more expense to them via having more kids.

[JGMotorsport64]

Originally Posted by Biker53

You don't have to round them all up. Many will self-deport if they cannot support themselves here. Add criminal liability for the CEO's or owners of businesses that employ illegals and you'll see jobs for illegals tough to come by real fast. Do the same for homeowners who hire them for yard work or other chores.

Ban their kids from our schools and you'll remove another incentive to stay.

Basically make them ineligible for any entitlement.

While they are self-deporting, put the effort into rounding up the criminal element.

Much more reasonable than the actual rhetoric.

[Oldglory]

Originally Posted by JGMotorsport64

Honestly I just think the money could be better spent.

Yet illegal aliens cost us $113 billion every single year and those costs just keep going up. Is that money better spent to you?

[Vacanegro]

Originally Posted by Oldglory

Why should we work something out for the rest? Why reward them for violating our immigration laws? How many of them used a fake or stolen SS number to work here or worked for cash evading taxes? Is that to be swept under the rug and all is forgiven? Do Americans get a pass on those felonies?


Americans need their jobs back and if only the "convicted" criminals are going to be deported how do they get those jobs back? Sorry, we tried amnesty back in 1986 and now we have at least quadruple the number of illegal aliens here today. Proof that amnesty only encourages more to come here. When do these amnesties end? No only that but amnesty would negate our annual quotas for legal immigration for years and years.

The jobs are a mirage. Export nearly every illegal and you will be left with a bunch of unfillable job openings in landscaping, construction, cleaning, fast food, etc, you will cause the US GDP to decline. You will produce lower profits for US MNCs. Illegals are good for business even if many folks think they are nothing but parasites on the Economy.

Even this issue is overblown - unless we assign INS agents at the doors of schools and start forming Internment camps most people in the US are fine with better border security and enforcing current immigration law. None of that is likely to happen as we have many laws (and lawyers) who will enforce due process and INS hearings before judges - which take lots and lots of time.

Personally I don't want families torn apart or illegals who have been here many years (with jobs) being rounded up. Not sure how that makes me a liberal because I also support law enforcement, cuts to spending and a balanced budget but doesn't matter because Trump is going to do what he wants then of course declare complete success regardless of the results.

[Redraven]

Originally Posted by Mouser

HARSH YOU SAY

MEXICAN LAW

Mexico welcomes only foreigners who will be useful to Mexican society:

Foreigners are admitted into Mexico "according to their possibilities of contributing to national progress." (Article 32)

Immigration officials must "ensure" that "immigrants will be useful elements for the country and that they have the necessary funds for their sustenance" and for their dependents. (Article 34)

Foreigners may be barred from the country if their presence upsets "the equilibrium of the national demographics," when foreigners are deemed detrimental to "economic or national interests," when they do not behave like good citizens in their own country, when they have broken Mexican laws, and when "they are not found to be physically or mentally healthy." (Article 37)

The Secretary of Governance may "suspend or prohibit the admission of foreigners when he determines it to be in the national interest." (Article 38)

Mexican authorities must keep track of every single person in the country:

Federal, local and municipal police must cooperate with federal immigration authorities upon request, i.e., to assist in the arrests of illegal immigrants. (Article 73)

A National Population Registry keeps track of "every single individual who comprises the population of the country," and verifies each individual's identity. (Articles 85 and 86)

A national Catalog of Foreigners tracks foreign tourists and immigrants (Article 87), and assigns each individual with a unique tracking number (Article 91).

Foreigners with fake papers, or who enter the country under false pretenses, may be imprisoned:

Foreigners with fake immigration papers may be fined or imprisoned. (Article 116)

Foreigners who sign government documents "with a signature that is false or different from that which he normally uses" are subject to fine and imprisonment. (Article 116)

Foreigners who fail to obey the rules will be fined, deported, and/or imprisoned as felons:

Foreigners who fail to obey a deportation order are to be punished. (Article 117)

Foreigners who are deported from Mexico and attempt to re-enter the country without authorization can be imprisoned for up to 10 years. (Article 118)

Foreigners who violate the terms of their visa may be sentenced to up to six years in prison (Articles 119, 120 and 121). Foreigners who misrepresent the terms of their visa while in Mexico -- such as working with out a permit -- can also be imprisoned.

Under Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony. The General Law on Population says:

"A penalty of up to two years in prison and a fine of three hundred to five thousand pesos will be imposed on the foreigner who enters the country illegally." (Article 123)

Foreigners with legal immigration problems may be deported from Mexico instead of being imprisoned. (Article 125)

Foreigners who "attempt against national sovereignty or security" will be deported. (Article 126)

Mexicans who help illegal aliens enter the country are themselves considered criminals under the law:

A Mexican who marries a foreigner with the sole objective of helping the foreigner live in the country is subject to up to five years in prison. (Article 127)

Shipping and airline companies that bring undocumented foreigners into Mexico will be fined. (Article 132)




There will be no special bilingual programs in the schools, no
special ballots for elections,all government business will be
conducted in our language.
Foreigners will NOT have the right to vote no matter how long
they are here.
Foreigners will NEVER be able to hold political office.
Foreigners will not be a burden to the taxpayers. No welfare, no food stamps, no health care, or other government assistance
programs.
Foreigners can invest in this country, but it must be an amount equal to 40,000 times the daily minimum wage.
If foreigners do come and want to buy land that will be okay,
BUT options will be restricted. You are not allowed waterfront
property. That is reserved for citizens naturally born into this
country.
Foreigners may not protest; no demonstrations, no waving a
foreign flag, no political organizing, no bad-mouthing our president or his policies, if you do you will be sent home.
If you do come to this country illegally, you will be hunted
down and sent straight to jail.
Harsh, you say?...............
The above laws happen to be the immigration laws of "MEXICO"


MEXICO'S GLASS HOUSE- How the Mexican constitution treats foreigners

http://www.sbsun.com/columnists/ci_3767570

TITLE 8--ALIENS AND NATIONALITY

CHAPTER 12--IMMIGRATION AND NATIONALITY

SUBCHAPTER II--IMMIGRATION

Part VIII--General Penalty Provisions

Sec. 1325. Improper entry by alien



(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection;
misrepresentation and concealment of facts

Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at
any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or
(2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3)
attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully
false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a
material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be
fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and,
for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title
18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

TITLE 8--ALIENS AND NATIONALITY

CHAPTER 12--IMMIGRATION AND NATIONALITY

SUBCHAPTER II--IMMIGRATION

Part VIII--General Penalty Provisions

Sec. 1326. Reentry of removed aliens


(a) In general

Subject to subsection (b) of this section, any alien who--
(1) has been denied admission, excluded, deported, or removed or
has departed the United States while an order of exclusion,
deportation, or removal is outstanding, and thereafter
(2) enters, attempts to enter, or is at any time found in, the
United States, unless (A) prior to his reembarkation at a place
outside the United States or his application for admission from
foreign contiguous territory, the Attorney General has expressly
consented to such alien's reapplying for admission; or (B) with
respect to an alien previously denied admission and removed, unless
such alien shall establish that he was not required to obtain such
advance consent under this chapter or any prior Act,

shall be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or
both.

(b) Criminal penalties for reentry of certain removed aliens

Notwithstanding subsection (a) of this section, in the case of any
alien described in such subsection--
(1) whose removal was subsequent to a conviction for commission
of three or more misdemeanors involving drugs, crimes against the
person, or both, or a felony (other than an aggravated felony), such
alien shall be fined under title 18, imprisoned not more than 10
years, or both; (2) whose removal was subsequent to a conviction for commission
of an aggravated felony, such alien shall be fined under such title,
imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both;
(3) who has been excluded from the United States pursuant to
section 1225(c) of this title because the alien was excludable under
section 1182(a)(3)(B) of this title or who has been removed from the
United States pursuant to the provisions of subchapter V of this
chapter, and who thereafter, without the permission of the Attorney
General, enters the United States, or attempts to do so, shall be
fined under title 18 and imprisoned for a period of 10 years, which
sentence shall not run concurrently with any other sentence


America has two choices;

(1) Enforce the laws we already have.

(2) Adopt the Mexican policy.

That is exactly why I am in favor of a "Mirror Law". The immigration policies of the United States towards illegal immigrants shall be exactly the same as the Immigration Laws of the person's home country, except in the case where a death penalty is called for.

Here's another idea: Let's round up all the illegal immigrants from Mexico, and put them to work at $15 per hour, on rotating shifts so they will be working 24/7, building the anti-illegal immigration wall along the Mexican border. When the wall is done, give them their last paycheck, food for a month, and leave them on the Mexican side of the wall.