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Old 01-08-2017, 08:52 AM
 
Location: St Louis, MO
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Gee, I don't know - maybe because there were "Help Wanted" signs in windows all over the place when I was there just a couple of months ago?
Or do you think that businesses that are hurting would be looking for workers?



Ken
Yes, they would. Because in order to pay higher wages they need higher productivity and higher skill workers.
Those are more difficult to find, hence the help wanted signs. The help wanted signs are a sign of a business that is about to go under because of skill mismatch and a failure to transfer from labor-intense to capital-intense. If wages increase, they need to operate with fewer workers and higher capital investment to improve productivity. Instead, they are trying to get by with worker productivity and failing so they churn their workers in search of people who do not exist.
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Old 01-08-2017, 08:54 AM
 
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Total fail. 15 an hour isn't here yet and even now a 15 dollar an hour job in Seattle is a poverty wage. I make almost 30 and you could barely make it in Seattle on that.

If you want to live in the Puget Sound region on 15 hr you live way out in the sticks.
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Old 01-08-2017, 08:55 AM
 
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I'm all for people making a decent wage in part based on skills, education, seniority, time in grade etc.

At the same time it does irk me that a 15 year old working their first job ever, probably flipping burgers, would make nearly as much as say, a Paramedic who has the equivalent of a two year degree, and is trusted with peoples lives on a daily basis.

When teachers, EMT's, fire fighters, and police start making $25-30 and hour I'm good with restaurant workers making $15.
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Old 01-08-2017, 08:56 AM
 
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I'm good with the two primary parties working the wage thing out between themselves and without the interference of an ignorant bureaucrat.
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Old 01-08-2017, 08:59 AM
 
Location: The South
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If $15/hour works so good, why stop there?
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Old 01-08-2017, 08:59 AM
 
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Yes, they would. Because in order to pay higher wages they need higher productivity and higher skill workers.
Those are more difficult to find, hence the help wanted signs. The help wanted signs are a sign of a business that is about to go under because of skill mismatch and a failure to transfer from labor-intense to capital-intense. If wages increase, they need to operate with fewer workers and higher capital investment to improve productivity. Instead, they are trying to get by with worker productivity and failing so they churn their workers in search of people who do not exist.
This is one of the most absurd posts I've read in a while. You really are doing some mental gymnastics because the results of this law do not line up with your pre-conceived notions of what should happen.
Seattle's unemployment rate has fallen steadily since this law was implemented, sorry you just need to admit you are wrong!
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Old 01-08-2017, 09:00 AM
 
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Total fail. 15 an hour isn't here yet
Yes, it is. You are just grossly uninformed. From 2017, any large employer has to pay $15 minimum after several large hikes in the preceding years.

I do agree that the minimum wage should be higher than $15 in high COL areas, but its a good start and we should fight hard to make sure $15 becomes the federal minimum wage so consumer spending can boom instead of having a tiny elite hoarding wealth and spending it abroad instead of supporting American business like the bottom 50% do when the spend.
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Old 01-08-2017, 09:02 AM
 
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I'm all for people making a decent wage in part based on skills, education, seniority, time in grade etc.

At the same time it does irk me that a 15 year old working their first job ever, probably flipping burgers, would make nearly as much as say, a Paramedic who has the equivalent of a two year degree, and is trusted with peoples lives on a daily basis.

When teachers, EMT's, fire fighters, and police start making $25-30 and hour I'm good with restaurant workers making $15.
This is a common misconception. When the minimum wage is $15, typically for nursing home assistants taking care of our elderly and similar type of work (the 15 year old burger flipper is an outdated symbol of minimum wage work), then that acts as a wage floor and dramatically improves the bargaining power of people making slightly more than that. It lifts all boats and that is how paramedics, fire fighters and others also make much more money.
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Old 01-08-2017, 09:05 AM
 
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Another left wing fake news article.
Why is it fake? Geez, this is getting outrageous. It's like kids holding their ears while screaming.
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Old 01-08-2017, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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No counterarguments from you in other words.

Just ranting.
No sense or truth in your post, just baseless crowing.

The experiment is over? It hasn't even begun. For one thing Seattle is thriving because of high tech companies who don't pay anyone minimum wage. But the main thing you people always ignore is it hasn't even been 100% implemented yet. The minimum wage IS NOT $15 in Seattle and you want to claim a victory - is that a symptom of the 'everyone gets a trophy' generation?
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