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Old 01-11-2017, 04:45 PM
 
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So during his news conference today Trump announced that as soon as Tom Price is approved for the dept of health and human services that they will present the replacement part of the repeal and replacement he wants.

Fun fact, Tom Price has spent a lot of time trying to pass his Empowering Patients First act. And I suspect that will be what is pushed.

It scraps Obamacare obviously. Markets, mandates, etc. His plan in the past "subsidized" insurance costs based on age. 18-35 get a $100/month subsidy, and 50+ older gets $250 a month. Which of course is laughable. Good news for the wealthier...not so much for everyone else. Oh and on medicare, VA, tricare, medicaid, etc? You dont get those credits. Good news though, if you opt out of your free healthcare, you can use the subsidy!...to purchase something far more expensive.

Continuous coverage requirements. Let your health insurance lapse, and you pay 1.5X as much for your insurance for 2 years. On one hand...I get this. We want people to keep coverage, not just get it when they need it. But the reality is that a LOT of people arent keeping the same job for that long anymore. I don't have a solution, but I can't help that this yet again punishes those who arent in the top 20% or so.

Health savings accounts. Good idea-but still doesn't touch the underlying problem. Poor people cannot afford healthcare. Even middle income can't very well.

Grants would be put in place to cover high risk pools. Historically Prices plans have VASTLY underestimated the costs of these. I expect Ryan at least to set him straight as Ryan has floated similar idea, but with much higher amounts in them (See Ryans "Better Way" plan)

Price also hits the corporate side. With limits on how much companies can write off on insurance costs. 8K/yr for individual, and 20K for families. I find this one kinda humorous. Companies will start getting REALLY hurt by rising insurance costs. Their solution will be to stop providing it. This is a horrible idea.....but I get where he is coming from on this one too. quarter of a trillion a year in lost revenue there....and rising as insurance costs go up. Long term this one will hurt if not pegged to healthcare costs.

The expanded medicaid coverage? Gone. Yup. Sucks to be poor! Back to the old GOP healthcare plan. if you get sick, either recover fast, or die quick.

Cross state insurance plans. So the inevitable race to the bottom for where to base your plan out of, then sell to other states.

Oh, and vaccine nonsense!

No mention of pre-existing conditions that I see, or the under 26 on their parents plan that I see, but I would not be surprised to see those added. If not by Price then by congress.

And much much more.

I think if he thinks congress will pass that then he is mistaken. They are currently freaking out because honestly, Obamacare is too well established, and working for most folks. (Yes I know you have some story of woe-the majority according to polling are ok with it). The time to be able to repeal it without horrific losses in the next election was years and years ago. If they had enough working brain cells they would work on making the current system work better.

Prices plans in the past would cause millions to lose healthcare. And would put us back to before Obamacare when costs were going up at insane rates. (Those of you complaining about ACA costs apparently have COMPLETELY forgotten what was occurring before)

I believe this is the last outline he put out of it:
http://tomprice.house.gov/sites/tomp...Act%202015.pdf


I suspect Trump and Price are completely disconnected from the effects this would have. Fun times!

It will work out great for me, but not so much for about 90% of the people I know.
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Old 01-11-2017, 04:47 PM
 
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You can always vote him out next election if he doesn't preform. I know I will.
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Old 01-11-2017, 05:02 PM
 
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You can always vote him out next election if he doesn't preform. I know I will.
Shrug. Depends on how many of his voters fall for lies. My bet is he blames Obama, or evil democrats who conspired against him.

Honestly....I'd actually like it if he surprised me on this one. Presented something truly awesome. I just dont see it as being very likely. His choice of Price, and the linkage of that person to the new "plan" is not encouraging to me.

People will die from this.
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Old 01-11-2017, 05:42 PM
 
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We need to pass it to see what's in it.
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Old 01-11-2017, 05:44 PM
 
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...ya lost...get over it
What does this response have to do with the topic at hand? Are you so incapable of discussing facts, or the possible actions of the administration that you have to result to...this?

you won. Get over it.
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Old 01-11-2017, 05:45 PM
 
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Actually the credit will help my kid. Right now she gets zero. She is not even on ACA plan. Just a healthcare plan.
And continuous coverage has nothing to do with job. You get COBRA. I think they should raise the penalty to 2 X premium for penalty. $20k for family is generous. Let's hope that's indexed for inflation.
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Old 01-11-2017, 05:47 PM
 
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...ya lost...get over it
Which means your side gets to govern, something they've refused to even consider for 8 years. So perhaps it's time to realize that there are some pretty hard problems to deal with and that the win was the easy bit.
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Old 01-11-2017, 05:49 PM
 
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Whatever you do... you must pass it and not know what is in it.... The liberals claim Obamacare was so successful because people didn't know what was in it...
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Old 01-11-2017, 05:49 PM
 
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Actually the credit will help my kid. Right now she gets zero. She is not even on ACA plan. Just a healthcare plan.
All health insurance is ACA compliant now.


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And continuous coverage has nothing to do with job. You get COBRA.
COBRA is likely to be unaffordable unless you manage to secure renewed employment - and is good for 18 months only.
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Old 01-11-2017, 05:52 PM
 
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So during his news conference today Trump announced that as soon as Tom Price is approved for the dept of health and human services that they will present the replacement part of the repeal and replacement he wants.

Fun fact, Tom Price has spent a lot of time trying to pass his Empowering Patients First act. And I suspect that will be what is pushed.

It scraps Obamacare obviously. Markets, mandates, etc. His plan in the past "subsidized" insurance costs based on age. 18-35 get a $100/month subsidy, and 50+ older gets $250 a month. Which of course is laughable. Good news for the wealthier...not so much for everyone else. Oh and on medicare, VA, tricare, medicaid, etc? You dont get those credits. Good news though, if you opt out of your free healthcare, you can use the subsidy!...to purchase something far more expensive.

Continuous coverage requirements. Let your health insurance lapse, and you pay 1.5X as much for your insurance for 2 years. On one hand...I get this. We want people to keep coverage, not just get it when they need it. But the reality is that a LOT of people arent keeping the same job for that long anymore. I don't have a solution, but I can't help that this yet again punishes those who arent in the top 20% or so.

Health savings accounts. Good idea-but still doesn't touch the underlying problem. Poor people cannot afford healthcare. Even middle income can't very well.

Grants would be put in place to cover high risk pools. Historically Prices plans have VASTLY underestimated the costs of these. I expect Ryan at least to set him straight as Ryan has floated similar idea, but with much higher amounts in them (See Ryans "Better Way" plan)

Price also hits the corporate side. With limits on how much companies can write off on insurance costs. 8K/yr for individual, and 20K for families. I find this one kinda humorous. Companies will start getting REALLY hurt by rising insurance costs. Their solution will be to stop providing it. This is a horrible idea.....but I get where he is coming from on this one too. quarter of a trillion a year in lost revenue there....and rising as insurance costs go up. Long term this one will hurt if not pegged to healthcare costs.

The expanded medicaid coverage? Gone. Yup. Sucks to be poor! Back to the old GOP healthcare plan. if you get sick, either recover fast, or die quick.

Cross state insurance plans. So the inevitable race to the bottom for where to base your plan out of, then sell to other states.

Oh, and vaccine nonsense!

No mention of pre-existing conditions that I see, or the under 26 on their parents plan that I see, but I would not be surprised to see those added. If not by Price then by congress.

And much much more.

I think if he thinks congress will pass that then he is mistaken. They are currently freaking out because honestly, Obamacare is too well established, and working for most folks. (Yes I know you have some story of woe-the majority according to polling are ok with it). The time to be able to repeal it without horrific losses in the next election was years and years ago. If they had enough working brain cells they would work on making the current system work better.

Prices plans in the past would cause millions to lose healthcare. And would put us back to before Obamacare when costs were going up at insane rates. (Those of you complaining about ACA costs apparently have COMPLETELY forgotten what was occurring before)

I believe this is the last outline he put out of it:
http://tomprice.house.gov/sites/tomp...Act%202015.pdf

I suspect Trump and Price are completely disconnected from the effects this would have. Fun times!

It will work out great for me, but not so much for about 90% of the people I know.
I suspect Trump and Price are going to find themselves at odds with each other.

Trump stated over and over--"not touching Medicare or SS." Price wants to privatize--give seniors a handful of coupons. Bernie has huge poster cards of Trump's own words, which he will bring to the floor of Congress every day. While the GOP is trying to gut it, Trump's words will make him look like a hypocrite if he goes along.

Trump announced today that he's going go after the pharmaceutical companies (of course he could be just flapping his mouth and forget this tomorrow) and "force them to negotiate prices with Medicare." Price has taken thousands from pharmaceutical companies--he is the swamp--and he owes them. Negotiate drug prices? Gasp--that is socialism!

Trump's acting like a big man right now--still bashing the DNC, Hillary and the media (guessing there will be no pivot). But soon he's going to be going at it with the GOP Congress, his own appointees, and, of course the Dems.

Trump is a confrontational control freak (love those claiming he will unify--too funny)--he gets along with nobody other than those that bow down and kiss his butt.

Get out the popcorn and just hope that the GOP doesn't gut Medicare and SS. If you can retire, do it now before Price and Ryan get their claws on it. In any event--Trump will be fighting with everyone--that's what he does.
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