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Maybe some here believe a 12 year old girl's last wish should be honored and respect by leaving the suicide video online. I don't. I honor my loved ones by remember how they lived, how much they have accomplished in their very short lives here on earth, how they made me a better person, how my best friend always told me, "I made the sacrifices, so you don't have to." "What is wrong with you, baby girl. don't be silly. I will always be here and I am not going anywhere." I also honor them by remember their fighting spirit. My best friends are always be true warriors. You better believe I will always protect their honor, their stories are not going to be used to satisfy internet trolls who are only interested in drama.
That would be how her family want to honor her but not how she wanted to be honored. She wanted the world to see.
That would be how her family want to honor her but not how she wanted to be honored. She wanted the world to see.
hmm, about "she wanted the world to see" part, I have my doubts.
It is hard to know what a suicidal person really wanted at their final moment. They wanted the pain to go away. That is the only certainty in suicide.
Not to say every and each suicide is the same, but my best friend also wanted the world to know he killed himself like a warrior. (I blew my head off, I didn't take the pills) People don't view him as a warrior. People still called him a coward and selfish, sad, isn't it?
We had a memorial service for him. We told his story (how he lived as a Marine) to a lot of strangers. That is how they knew he was a true warrior. None of us wants the world to see him as a person who committed suicide. His last moment does not define him. I chose to remember how beautiful his face was, not his face looked like after he blew his head off.
I will still say that you cannot rationalize a suicidal mind.
ALL suicide survivors struggle with grief. In the aftermath of almost every suicide, we inevitably look for reasons why our loved one chose—however irrationally—to die.
I’m guilty of assigning blame, too. In my early stage of grief, all I did all day everyday is blame. For my late boyfriend's suicide, I blamed his work, myself (well, I blamed myself the most), everybody knew him; for my best friends' suicide, I blamed the war, VA, their families, myself.
Looking back, it’s impossible not to think that everyone could have done a better job of saving my loved ones. So in that regard, everyone was to blame. But none of them forced my loves ones to take their lives.
The rush to assign blame in the aftermath of my loved ones' suicide was perhaps more damaging than my loves ones' death. It blew apart family ties and old friendships and left me even more isolated in the months and years that followed than if my loved ones had died a natural death. I’ve come to think that the suicide blame game is one where we all lose.
So what is the point of leaving a suicide video on the internet? satisfy the internet trolls? romanticizing or glorifying suicides? assigning blame?
If there was child abuse involved, then the video should be used as evidence, it should be kept private for police use, not for the source of public gossip.
No matter how much you want to argue this, suicide video is not the same as the others. There are survivors to think about. Their lives would never be the same.
Maybe some here believe a 12 year old girl's last wish should be honored and respect by leaving the suicide video online. I don't. I honor my loved ones by remember how they lived, how much they have accomplished in their very short lives here on earth, how they made me a better person, how my best friend always told me, "I made the sacrifices, so you don't have to." "What is wrong with you, baby girl. don't be silly. I will always be here and I am not going anywhere." I also honor them by remember their fighting spirit. My best friends are always be true warriors. You better believe I will always protect their honor, their stories are not going to be used to satisfy internet trolls who are only interested in drama.
I don't know why she put it up on the internet since she didn't tell anyone why...that I know of. I can only surmise from what I read that she said, and what she said in prior videos. I get the very strong feeling that she didn't do it as a "last wish" or to "educate" people, I got the feeling that she just wanted someone, anyone, to hear her after she was gone. And I get the idea that it was specifically for someone who could do something about her step father's "alleged" actions. She mentioned in either her diary or a video that her own mother didn't even care to stop what was going on. Or maybe that was the aunt. I can't remember exactly. It was mentioned, from either her or family, however.
It would be nice to have it removed. On the site I found it on, they tried to rationalize the same thing that the OP did: it would serve as a lesson to others.
I don't see it that way. The attention that it got has unfortunately now romanticized the act. That was not what this girl was doing...I sincerely believe that.
I can only tell you what happened based on what the uploader stated in text before the video. First off, the video is like 45 minutes long. Apparently you can see her prepare everything, and of course kill herself. It was also said that you can hear people calling for her and her phone going off multiple times after she did it. The only thing that was stated that she said was good bye to some people, I have no idea who, and one poster mentioned something about her delicate last good bye.
I'm not going to watch that video...but based on what was written about it, that doesn't sound like someone who wants to educate others on suicide, it sounds like someone who had given up all hope and couldn't take it anymore but would like someone to have heard her when she was so largely ignored before she did it.
Plenty have heard. Worst of all, (I did not verify this because I would be too pissed if I read it) apparently a few groups and sites have done nothing but mocked her...not while she was alive, AFTER they watched the video. And I know, for a fact, that some people are actually trying to make money off of her death. There was one ahole who kept commenting in her prior videos about his band and how they made a song because of her, "go check it out" and buy it. I fricken hate people like that.
I agree that our society does have to face reality, and sometimes harsh reality is needed...but this should not be the poster video for that cause. She was a child...only 12. I wish that the sites would remove the video and just let the poor thing RIP. She was tormented enough in life, it seems.
I don't know why she put it up on the internet since she didn't tell anyone why...that I know of. I can only surmise from what I read that she said, and what she said in prior videos. I get the very strong feeling that she didn't do it as a "last wish" or to "educate" people, I got the feeling that she just wanted someone, anyone, to hear her after she was gone. And I get the idea that it was specifically for someone who could do something about her step father's "alleged" actions. She mentioned in either her diary or a video that her own mother didn't even care to stop what was going on. Or maybe that was the aunt. I can't remember exactly. It was mentioned, from either her or family, however.
It would be nice to have it removed. On the site I found it on, they tried to rationalize the same thing that the OP did: it would serve as a lesson to others.
I don't see it that way. The attention that it got has unfortunately now romanticized the act. That was not what this girl was doing...I sincerely believe that.
I can only tell you what happened based on what the uploader stated in text before the video. First off, the video is like 45 minutes long. Apparently you can see her prepare everything, and of course kill herself. It was also said that you can hear people calling for her and her phone going off multiple times after she did it. The only thing that was stated that she said was good bye to some people, I have no idea who, and one poster mentioned something about her delicate last good bye.
I'm not going to watch that video...but based on what was written about it, that doesn't sound like someone who wants to educate others on suicide, it sounds like someone who had given up all hope and couldn't take it anymore but would like someone to have heard her when she was so largely ignored before she did it.
Plenty have heard. Worst of all, (I did not verify this because I would be too pissed if I read it) apparently a few groups and sites have done nothing but mocked her...not while she was alive, AFTER they watched the video. And I know, for a fact, that some people are actually trying to make money off of her death. There was one ahole who kept commenting in her prior videos about his band and how they made a song because of her, "go check it out" and buy it. I fricken hate people like that.
I agree that our society does have to face reality, and sometimes harsh reality is needed...but this should not be the poster video for that cause. She was a child...only 12. I wish that the sites would remove the video and just let the poor thing RIP. She was tormented enough in life, it seems.
I agree with you. I agree with your reasons why the video should be removed.
It would be nice to have it removed. On the site I found it on, they tried to rationalize the same thing that the OP did: it would serve as a lesson to others.
I don't see it that way. The attention that it got has unfortunately now romanticized the act. That was not what this girl was doing...I sincerely believe that..
I completely agree with you . Thank you so much for posting this.
This is about a 12-year-old girl taking her own life but she livestreamed it on Facebook. Her family is contacting everybody to remove her video.
Here's my question. I fully understand why the family is taking down the video and feel bad for their terrible loss but isn't taking down the video very disrespectful to the young girl?
The girl's last wish was to share the video on her Facebook, no? Now her last wish was not being respected at all.
If my last wish is raping a 10yr old , or shoving a knife through somones heart slowly watching them scream , or tieing a dog to the back of my truck and driving down the road at 5 mph until the flesh pulls off.
I'm sorry but posting somthing like that effects OTHER PEOPLE . it's no one's right to subject others to that . What if your young children see that without your controll?
I didn't watch the young girl's suicide and won't, but some who are contemplating suicide will see it and be influenced one way or another. I had a very close friend choose suicide when we were in our 20s. She suffered from bipolar mental disease, back then called manic/depressive, for at least a decade and her disease was horrible for her. As much as I miss her and hate her decision, her pain must have been so great, I will never judge her for her choice. I keep in touch with her family occasionally and know her family has never recovered from her suicide. She was a beautiful person. I wish she had made another choice so much.
This should be illegal like sharing child porn or a snuff video.
It's a very young, very mentally ill girl and anyone who watches that poor girl die has to be pretty sick. She was not even old enough to have a Facebook account.
LilyFlower's posts also illustrate something important -- there is an emotional, human component to this question that cannot be rationalized. Watching someone being killed in real time is emotionally traumatizing to normal humans, so there had better be a very good reason if you're going to expose people, particularly young people.
I couldn't agree more. As I said upthread, people trained to deal with these issues often have trouble doing so. How does the rest of the population react to such images?
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I also honor them by remember their fighting spirit. My best friends are always be true warriors. You better believe I will always protect their honor, their stories are not going to be used to satisfy internet trolls who are only interested in drama.
