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Old 01-14-2017, 08:31 AM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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This might be the ultimate test of Trump supporters' blind allegiance to their leader. If you aren't willing to say that it might be a bad idea to relieve military commander in the midst of a one-day mission, you aren't able to critically asses anything the incoming administration does.
You did notice that he was relieved by the Pentagon, not by the President elect who has no authority, as yet, to do so?
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Old 01-14-2017, 08:32 AM
 
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This might be the ultimate test of Trump supporters' blind allegiance to their leader. If you aren't willing to say that it might be a bad idea to relieve military commander in the midst of a one-day mission, you aren't able to critically asses anything the incoming administration does.
Except there is no proof that he did, so what does it say about you?
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Old 01-14-2017, 08:32 AM
 
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You did notice that he was relieved by the Pentagon, not by the President elect who has no authority, as yet, to do so?
Because the incoming administration accepted the resignation. Saying the pentagon relieved him is the flimsiest of technicalities.
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Old 01-14-2017, 08:33 AM
 
Location: Florida
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That is Mr. Trumps call.

The Guard under President Obama have been miss used and held back from their tradition duties of Civil Disturbance. The Guard was held back in Baltimore and Ferguson.
Interesting, since it is the state's call as to whether to use or "miss use" it.

"..It is first and foremost a state agency, but units can be mobilised by the US president to assist the country’s armed forces. States’ national guard units often receive federal funding and training..."

"...Under state law, the national guard may be activated by governors – as Nixon has done in Missouri – to respond to domestic emergencies such as natural disasters and civil disturbances..."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...guson-missouri
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Old 01-14-2017, 08:35 AM
 
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Kibby,

In reading your link to Stars and Stripes and some of the comments below it, it appears there is some discussion that Schwartz was part of the senior political appointees that Trump transition team notified they would not be retaining in new administration. Several ambassadors and other key personnel like Schwarz were impacted. It was a blanket action. The Trump team did not entertain any discussion. That's why it goes into effect on 12:01 after the swearing in. So, I'm not sure we can lay this on Obama.
I also read the comments after articles - particularly on sites like Stars and Stripes. The commenters tend to understand the subject a lot better than a civilian.

I quickly discovered that Brig. Gen. William J. Walker will take command...in actuality he's already the joint task force commander and has been for some time. Obama appointed him in 2015 and his formal ceremony was in 2016.

General Walker is responsible for the strategic leadership, training, readiness and operational employment of units assigned and attached to the District of Columbia Army National Guard. He ensures the Joint Task Force can respond to district and federal missions in support of homeland defense, homeland security and disasters.

From the D.C. National Guard Leadership website:
BRIGADIER GENERAL WILLIAM J. WALKER
Commander, Land Component Command, District of Columbia Army National Guard


It took me a while to track it down ..... there is a 'mandatory retirement age for Flag Officers' - which is what Major General Schwartz is. They typically serve 2-4 year tours (Schwartz assumed command D.C. in 2008) and have specific times that they MUST retire - this is because there is always a Finite number of Flag Officers allowed by Law. Major General Schwartz turned 65 in October of 2016

[color=purple]Other than voluntary retirement, statute sets a number of mandates for retirement of general officers (called flag officers in the Navy and Coast Guard). All major generals must retire after five years in grade or 35 years of service, whichever is later, unless appointed for promotion or reappointed to grade to serve longer. Otherwise, all general officers must retire the month after their 64th birthday. However, the Secretary of Defense may defer a general officer's retirement until the officer's 66th birthday and the President may defer it until the officer's 68th birthday. Because there are a finite number of General Officer positions, one officer must retire before another can be promoted. As a result, general officers typically retire well in advance of the statutory age and service limits, so as not to impede the upward career mobility of their juniors.[/purple]

Let's Add to all of that ...... the Trump Team announced this morning that they knew nothing about this General and would want him to stay at least through the day ...... Major General Schwartz REFUSED. He KNOWS why he is leaving (his age) and he KNOWS that President Elect Trump has ZERO to do with his leaving.

One last thing -- if a couch potato like Kibby can find the documentation to expose this Anti-Trump Landmine --
Why can't the Professional Biased Flame Thrower Media find it????????
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Old 01-14-2017, 08:36 AM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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Because the incoming administration accepted the resignation. Saying the pentagon relieved him is the flimsiest of technicalities.
OK. And? Again, his XO, who remains, probably, if he's good, knows more about the plans than he does.

And, if you noticed, the transition wanted him to stay and, according to the General himself, requested he do so which was advocated against by the Pentagon, which for some reason wanted him relieved.
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Old 01-14-2017, 08:37 AM
 
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I also read the comments after articles - particularly on sites like Stars and Stripes. The commenters tend to understand the subject a lot better than a civilian.

I quickly discovered that Brig. Gen. William J. Walker will take command...in actuality he's already the joint task force commander and has been for some time. Obama appointed him in 2015 and his formal ceremony was in 2016.

General Walker is responsible for the strategic leadership, training, readiness and operational employment of units assigned and attached to the District of Columbia Army National Guard. He ensures the Joint Task Force can respond to district and federal missions in support of homeland defense, homeland security and disasters.

From the D.C. National Guard Leadership website:
BRIGADIER GENERAL WILLIAM J. WALKER
Commander, Land Component Command, District of Columbia Army National Guard


It took me a while to track it down ..... there is a 'mandatory retirement age for Flag Officers' - which is what Major General Schwartz is. They typically serve 2-4 year tours (Schwartz assumed command D.C. in 2008) and have specific times that they MUST retire - this is because there is always a Finite number of Flag Officers allowed by Law. Major General Schwartz turned 65 in October of 2016

[purple]Other than voluntary retirement, statute sets a number of mandates for retirement of general officers (called flag officers in the Navy and Coast Guard). All major generals must retire after five years in grade or 35 years of service, whichever is later, unless appointed for promotion or reappointed to grade to serve longer. Otherwise, all general officers must retire the month after their 64th birthday. However, the Secretary of Defense may defer a general officer's retirement until the officer's 66th birthday and the President may defer it until the officer's 68th birthday. Because there are a finite number of General Officer positions, one officer must retire before another can be promoted. As a result, general officers typically retire well in advance of the statutory age and service limits, so as not to impede the upward career mobility of their juniors.[/purple]

Let's Add to all of that ...... the Trump Team announced this morning that they knew nothing about this General and would want him to stay at least through the day ...... Major General Schwartz REFUSED. He KNOWS why he is leaving (his age) and he KNOWS that President Elect Trump has ZERO to do with his leaving.

One last thing -- if a couch potato like Kibby can find the documentation to expose this Anti-Trump Landmine --
Why can't the Professional Biased Flame Thrower Media find it????????
Kibby, the issue is not that he's being replaced, it's that its effective at 12:01. Why is that so hard for you to understand?
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Old 01-14-2017, 08:39 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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its like- he is very leery of all higher ups from Obama term-- what he thinks they going to eat him? he is very -very mistrustful - either he is paranoid or did something he is guilty of.
Probably both.
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Old 01-14-2017, 08:45 AM
 
Location: The South
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This might be the ultimate test of Trump supporters' blind allegiance to their leader. If you aren't willing to say that it might be a bad idea to relieve military commander in the midst of a one-day mission, you aren't able to critically asses anything the incoming administration does.
In a war, this would be known as a "battlefield promotion". If the General has done his job, he has an immediate replacement ready to step in.
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Old 01-14-2017, 08:46 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Because the incoming administration accepted the resignation. Saying the pentagon relieved him is the flimsiest of technicalities.

That did not happen between any other President to date.

No President in history, has asked the DC National Guard commander, as long as they have been established, to step down at the end of a Presidential term.
This was Obama's call. Not Trump. Trump has no power what so ever to make the call, until after 12:00 noon on inauguration day.

Your Fake News, has Fake News'd ya again, with a fantasy wrapped around reality.
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