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Old 01-17-2017, 09:47 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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No federal funding goes towards abortion, period.
Says you. But it's not true.


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If they no longer performed abortions not one thing would change relative to their clinics.
Now that's silly, but you are entitled to hold a silly opinion.
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Old 01-17-2017, 09:54 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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No federal funding goes towards abortion, period. If they no longer performed abortions not one thing would change relative to their clinics.
In 2013, Planned Parenthood performed 327,653 abortions. Over the past three reported years, Planned Parenthood has performed nearly one million abortions.

In 2013, abortions made up 94% of Planned Parenthood’s pregnancy services.

For every adoption referral, Planned Parenthood performed 174 abortions.

While abortions rose, Planned Parenthood adoption referrals dropped 14% in one year, and prenatal care services dropped 4%.

Planned Parenthood’s cancer prevention services are down 17% over one year, and contraceptive services dropped by 4%.

During fiscal year 2013-2014, Planned Parenthood received more than $528 million in taxpayer funding, or more than $1.4 million per day, in the form of government grants, contracts, and Medicaid reimbursements.
Taxpayer funding accounts for 41% of Planned Parenthood’s overall revenue.

Planned Parenthood reported more than $127 million in excess revenue, and more than $1.4 billion in net assets.

https://www.sba-list.org/newsroom/pr...red-profit-dri
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Old 01-17-2017, 11:09 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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what you forget is that planned parenthood DOES provide abortion services, and you also forget that money is fungible. you cannot tell someone, or some organization, that you are giving them money, but they cannot use it for certain things. in other words you cannot give planned parenthood money an tell them they cant use it for abortion services, and then expect them to comply with your wishes. all you can do is determine how much money they use to provide abortions, and subtract it from what ever your total donation would have been, and reduce the amount of money you give.

now if planned parenthood were to divest themselves of abortion services completely, then we can talk about increasing their funding.

Simply not true. PP must follow law, The Hyde Amendment.


Accounting most certainly can tell what moneys are spent on abortions vs other services.
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Old 01-17-2017, 11:10 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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In 2013, Planned Parenthood performed 327,653 abortions. Over the past three reported years, Planned Parenthood has performed nearly one million abortions.

In 2013, abortions made up 94% of Planned Parenthood’s pregnancy services.

For every adoption referral, Planned Parenthood performed 174 abortions.

While abortions rose, Planned Parenthood adoption referrals dropped 14% in one year, and prenatal care services dropped 4%.

Planned Parenthood’s cancer prevention services are down 17% over one year, and contraceptive services dropped by 4%.

During fiscal year 2013-2014, Planned Parenthood received more than $528 million in taxpayer funding, or more than $1.4 million per day, in the form of government grants, contracts, and Medicaid reimbursements.
Taxpayer funding accounts for 41% of Planned Parenthood’s overall revenue.

Planned Parenthood reported more than $127 million in excess revenue, and more than $1.4 billion in net assets.

https://www.sba-list.org/newsroom/pr...red-profit-dri

How about an unbiased source?
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Old 01-17-2017, 11:15 PM
 
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I don't think planned parenthood is the only source for birth control.
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Old 01-17-2017, 11:53 PM
 
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No federal funding goes towards abortion, period. If they no longer performed abortions not one thing would change relative to their clinics. What it boils down to is how much does congress want to punish innocent low income women because they do not like PP's association.
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Simply not true. PP must follow law, The Hyde Amendment.


Accounting most certainly can tell what moneys are spent on abortions vs other services.
you two really think that? if so then you know NOTHiNG about accounting and how money works. as i said money is fungible, that means ANY federal funds that go to planned parenthood ARE used to fund abortions. you put money into an account, and then draw money from that account for expenses, and that account doesnt say where all the money came from, nor where each dollar goes.

yes you keep track of how much money is spent in various areas, that is normal, but you can never say that money that come from the federal government does not fund abortions.
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Old 01-18-2017, 12:23 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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you two really think that? if so then you know NOTHiNG about accounting and how money works. as i said money is fungible, that means ANY federal funds that go to planned parenthood ARE used to fund abortions. you put money into an account, and then draw money from that account for expenses, and that account doesnt say where all the money came from, nor where each dollar goes.

yes you keep track of how much money is spent in various areas, that is normal, but you can never say that money that come from the federal government does not fund abortions.

Not true.


When PP, or any other business/organization, sets a price for a service, that price includes the cost of doing business.....electricity, the building, building maintenance, water, etc.


When PP charges a woman X amount of dollars for an abortion, that price includes all of the above along with the cost of the procedure itself. So, taxpayers are NOT paying for the abortion in any way whatsoever.
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Old 01-18-2017, 01:29 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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As we have seen on the news, the GOP is busy working on repealing the ACA as well as defunding Planned Parenthood.

Access to free birth control is the most cost effective government entitlement. Making BC unavailable to the poor will result is an explosion of Medicaid, food stamps, welfare, etc.... down the pike.

Doesn't the GOP have any idea what the ramifications will be if access to birth control is taken away? Is the GOP budgeting for an explosion of entitlement programs a few years from now?





I'm going go with personal accountability.
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Old 01-18-2017, 08:34 AM
 
Location: Billings, MT
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Planned Parenthood isn't the "birth control center." The handle loads af female health and family planning services: pap smears, routine screenings, breast exams, blood tests, physicals...

We would be eliminating an important affordable health care option.

https://www.plannedparenthood.org/le...al-health-care
https://mic.com/articles/137608/7-pl...ons#.xoC4DCMhd
So, you want us to believe that PP relies so heavily on their Government (taxpayer funded) handout that they would definitely go out of business if that funding was reduced or cut off?
If they are that close to bankruptcy, they SHOULD fail as a business!
Again, please explain where in the Constitution it says that the taxpayers of this country must prop up private businesses!
I really don't care what they do or how they do it, I do not believe they have ANY right to government money, and the government should not be paying them to stay in business!
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Old 01-18-2017, 09:04 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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In 2013, Planned Parenthood performed 327,653 abortions. Over the past three reported years, Planned Parenthood has performed nearly one million abortions.

In 2013, abortions made up 94% of Planned Parenthood’s pregnancy services.

For every adoption referral, Planned Parenthood performed 174 abortions.

While abortions rose, Planned Parenthood adoption referrals dropped 14% in one year, and prenatal care services dropped 4%.

https://www.sba-list.org/newsroom/pr...red-profit-dri
Here are the real statistics.

So this is the organization that you want to pull funding, does it make any rational sense to pull funding from any organization that reduces unintended pregnancies even aside from the health benefits to low income.

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Planned Parenthood health centers focus on prevention: 80 percent of our patients receive services to prevent unintended pregnancy.
Planned Parenthood services help prevent approximately 579,000 unintended pregnancies in a single year.
Planned Parenthood provides more than 270,000 Pap tests and more than 360,000 breast exams in a single year, critical services in detecting cancer.
Planned Parenthood provides more than 4.2 million tests and treatments for sexually transmitted infections, including more than 650,000 HIV tests.
Three percent of all Planned Parenthood health services are abortion services.
Planned Parenthood affiliates provide educational programs and outreach to 1.5 million young people and adults in a single year.
Planned Parenthood has more than 8.5 million activists, supporters, and donors working for women's health and safety and our fundamental reproductive rights.
Join us in the fight for commonsense policies that foster the sexual and reproductive health and rights of individuals, families, and communities

- See more at: https://www.plannedparenthood.org/ab....CIKMhM8R.dpuf
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