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Along with an application to the ATF , and registering the gun with the ATF , and awaiting the ATF to approve the purchase , along with the ATF checking with your local LE to make sure they aren't banned in your area. And ones after 1986 aren't just restricted in certain circumstances , they are banned , period .
Yes, you are expounding on what I said. The tax stamp goes through the ATF , the government takes too long to process paperwork, the LEC is part of the paperwork.
The firearms are already registered, it is part of the purchasing process.
And No, not period. Ownership of full auto firearms built after 1986 are not restricted for governmental agencies, police, military, class 3 dealers, etc.
In other words, you aren't walking into Walmart , paying a couple of thousand and showing them your DL, and then coming back in 3 days or so to pick up your brand new fully auto toy to go blow watermelons up this weekend , and the government WILL know you own the weapon if you do manage to buy one .
I did not read where anyone implied this was the case.
However if you intend to highlight the difference between purchasing a semi auto vs a full auto rifle, they are simple:
You don't pay at Walmart, you pay at a dealer. The government is slow on the paperwork and they are registered.
If you manage to buy one? All it takes is more money and paperwork over a semi auto purchase.
The AR15 is a clone of the military assault rifle, and is called a semi auto assault rifle by the US government itself. Furthermore, having high capacity clips serve no sporting purpose. I hunt and own guns. I have a 12 ga., a 30/30 lever action, and am in the market now for a.40 cal semi auto pistol.
But why call it anything other than what it is? A military style rifle marketed to those who, as Bushmaster famously said, want to get their man card back.
What the government calls something doesn't make it so. Can you not assault someone with a rock? Should there be assault rocks, if the government decides to define them as such?
A clip is used to LOAD a magazine. A magazine holds the bullets into the gun from which they are fired.
I never trust anyone who doesn't know the basics of gun terminology.
I did not read where anyone implied this was the case.
However if you intend to highlight the difference between purchasing a semi auto vs a full auto rifle, they are simple:
You don't pay at Walmart, you pay at a dealer. The government is slow on the paperwork and they are registered.
If you manage to buy one? All it takes is more money and paperwork over a semi auto purchase.
Minor correction. Walmart is a firearm dealer too but they choose not to deal with machine guns. If they choose to deal with machine guns, we would be able to buy them at the Walmart.
Minor correction. Walmart is a firearm dealer too but they choose not to deal with machine guns. If they choose to deal with machine guns, we would be able to buy them at the Walmart.
What the government calls something doesn't make it so. Can you not assault someone with a rock? Should there be assault rocks, if the government decides to define them as such?
A clip is used to LOAD a magazine. A magazine holds the bullets into the gun from which they are fired.
I never trust anyone who doesn't know the basics of gun terminology.
Is this an assault rifle?
When the government does the classification for regulation purposes , their definition is the ONLY definition that matters .
The thread is about whether the AR15 is a military style weapon. Since it is a copy of the military's AR15 fully auto, that point is moot . Copying the style of a military issue weapon makes it a military style weapon.
As to the clip vs magazine, I have heard enough from actually military personnel and references in gun articles that I do not worry about what some internet twit thinks . Not the most used and popular , or technically correct term? Agreed . Completely off base in using it? Reread the first sentence in this paragraph.
The AR15 is a clone of the military assault rifle, and is called a semi auto assault rifle by the US government itself. Furthermore, having high capacity clips serve no sporting purpose. I hunt and own guns. I have a 12 ga., a 30/30 lever action, and am in the market now for a.40 cal semi auto pistol.
But why call it anything other than what it is? A military style rifle marketed to those who, as Bushmaster famously said, want to get their man card back.
It does not meet the criteria of what an assault rifle actually is no matter what anyone calls it.
Also yes, magazine, not clip.
My truck will never be a Rolls Royce if I started to call it that no more than your .30-30 makes you a Cowboy.
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"While at the range with some friends recently, the question was raised about the difference between a clip and a magazine. Some of the guys were very picky about this, insisting you should never call a magazine a clip. So what is the difference between a clip and a magazine? Which came first and how long have these terms been used?
The word “magazine” has been used for centuries to describe a place in which ammunition or gunpowder is stored. According to the Oxford English Dictionary the term defined as “A place in which a quantity of arms, ammunition or provisions is stored in time of war” dates to at least 1596. The use of the word as “A chamber for a supply of bullets” dates to 1744, again according to the Oxford English Dictionary,which was long before there were self-contained cartridges. It is hard to pin down exactly when “clip” was first used in relation to firearms, but “charger” appears in 1711 as “either bandoleers or Flasks that contain the powder.” Again, both terms already were in use before repeating firearms.
Today, when people talk about magazines, they are usually referring to a spring-loaded container for cartridges that may be an integral part of a firearm’s mechanism or may be detachable. When it comes to integral magazines-meaning not readily removable-common forms include tubular, rotary or box. Many popular repeating rifles have hinged floorplates to allow the magazine to be emptied with no need to cycle cartridges through the action. Then there are blind magazines in which there is no access to the ammunition except through the action port.
Although there are detachable drum magazines and detachable rotary magazines (i.e., Ruger’s 10/22), the most common form used in new rifles and handguns is the detachable box magazine, which is typically loaded before insertion into the firearm. Some do allow topping off from inside the action port, though.
“Chargers” or “charger clips” come in several varieties, including en-bloc clips that actually hold the cartridges and go into the gun and are part of the feeding mechanism. Notable examples include the eight-round clip for the M1 Garand (ejected out the top of the action after firing the last round) and those for military Mannlicher bolt-actions, the latter of which drop out the bottom of the magazine as the last round is stripped into the chamber.
Stripper clips are used to “strip” cartridges into the magazine of a firearm, such as in Mauser broomhandle pistols and Mauser bolt-action military rifles. These are not essential to feeding from the magazine, but they are a rapid method of charging it. And some stripper clips were intended to be used to fill detachable-box magazines while not in the gun, such as early 10-round stripper clips for the AR-15/M16.
There has been little consistency in what was called a charger and what was called a stripper clip over time. For example, when the British adapted the Short, Magazine Lee-Enfield, Mk III in 1907, older Lee-Enfield and Lee-Metford rifles were upgraded with charger bridges to convert them to “Charger-Loading,” meaning their 10-round, detachable-box magazines could be fed by stripper clips through the top of the action. Confused yet? Rifles such as the U.S. M14 have guides on their receivers to allow their detachable box magazines to be loaded by a stripper clip.
The bottom line is that both terms, clip and magazine, are used almost interchangeably today to describe a detachable device for feeding the action of a firearm. Before purists chime in, let me add that back in 1909 and 1910--as the United States was looking at adopting its first self-loading pistol for widespread issue--in U.S. Army Ordnance Dept. documents it referred to the detachable box magazine for what would become the U.S. M1911 pistol as, well, a clip."
Yes, I am aware that certain people can get special permits to own fully auto in very rare instances .
And sorry, but common sense and questioning the mentality of those who feel the need to own such weapons has no bearing on ones ability to use them . Grow up already .
If you actually read the laws we have on the books already you wouldn't toss out so many conjectures.
Incorrect again. Not a special permit and not certain people.
If no state law prohibiting machine gun ownership, any law abiding citizen can get a full auto machine gun as long as he or she pays a $200 tax.
However, because of the ban on any full auto made after 1986, a full auto machine gun can cost $5000 or up. So realistically only the rich and powerful can own machine guns.
This is why no inch should be given to the coward gun ban people.
Overturn the 2nd Amendment or **** the **** up.
Because of American gun owners inaction and mob violence brainwashing these weapons were allowed to be vanquished by the supreme Court because they were not in "mass" circulation.
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