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Old 01-21-2017, 12:19 PM
 
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So - remove the facet of the law that makes it possible for the insurers to avoid bankruptcy, but keep the bits forcing them to pay out? How is this even supposed to work?
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Old 01-21-2017, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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A law is the law. You are a hypocrite.



Indeed it has. This is everything that is wrong with our country.
Didn't take long, did it?

Meet the new swamp, same as the old swamp.
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Old 01-21-2017, 12:22 PM
 
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OTOH if not, then often you were SOL; as unless state where you reside forces insurance companies to do otherwise...
In other words, a red state. Seeing as they voted for him, I'm tempted to shrug it off.
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Old 01-21-2017, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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A law is the law. You are a hypocrite.
Nope, nothing hypocritical about not liking bad laws and respecting good laws.

Unless of course you think MLK was a hypocrite.

One thing about calling people hypocrites, you should actually understand what it means.

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Didn't take long, did it?

Meet the new swamp, same as the old swamp.
Hell, the left didn't even bother to wait for Trump to be in office before calling for impeachment. Talk about something not taking long. Insanity on display and they are so indoctrinated to the meme they are blind to their hypocrisy.

Just more back patting for the like-minded herd of identity politics. Maybe you should give it more than a few hours before making ridiculous claims.



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Everything else aside the one truth that is in full effect is that Trump success is the last thing the left can allow. The good of the progressive ideology trumps the good of the nation.

You are handing Trump and Pubs a super majority if this nonsense continues for two years.


Keep in mind, I didn't vote for Trump... I certainly do not support this liberal absurdity either.

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Old 01-21-2017, 12:22 PM
 
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Free from what exactly ? Having to be financially responsible for your own healthcare bills via insurance ? Did you have ins before Obamacare ?
I should NOT be fiscally responsible for huge subsidies to the insurance and pharmaceutical companies.
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Old 01-21-2017, 12:24 PM
 
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Nope, nothing hypocritical about not liking bad laws and respecting good laws.

Unless of course you think MLK was a hypocrite.
Laws are laws. Obama believed the laws he ignored were bad laws also.
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Old 01-21-2017, 12:35 PM
 
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It's not gone. It's just that if you didn't have insurance in 2016 and check the "Full-year coverage" box on line 61 "Health care: individual responsibility" of your 1040, the IRS probably won't do an audit, learn that you weren't covered, and chase you for it on your 2016 Federal tax return.

The law still exists. It's just less likely to be enforced.

Which proves again that His Orangeness along with *advisors* don't have a clue.


Tax filing season has already begun; so just when does DT and the republicans plan to make up their minds about repealing ACA and or parts thereof?


Enrollment period for Obamacare IIRC ends 31 January 2017. Those who do not have insurance and or considering allowing what the do have to lapse need to know what the IRS is going to do when they check that box. Forms have already been printed, websites/software updated/programmed and so forth.


If sometime later this spring, summer or whenever republicans get around to releasing their healthcare plan (that they've had almost twelve years to come up with, and still have got nothing), what happens to those the IRS didn't pursue for not enforcing the individual mandate?


On a far more important economic scale, what happens if great numbers of people take DT's words to mean they don't need to get insurance and or drop coverage because the only reason why they took up the thing was because of the mandate? That is going to poke a not so small hole in insurers pockets and likely cause no end of problems as funds are going to be needed to plug that fiscal gap.
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Old 01-21-2017, 12:37 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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I can virtually assure you it won't be enforced. It's toast. Welcome President Trump.
Some are predicting a collapse of the health insurance market which will create urgency to " do something".

Obama was held responsible for his idiotic claims that "if you like your plan/doctor" thing.

Obama campaigned in 2007-8 on the pledge to reduce the typical family premiums by $2500. At the time, the NYT called it the most audacious pledge of the campaign.

If there was any hope for more affordable premiums, it was eliminated when SCOTUS determined expansion of state Medicare was a state issue.

Now we have Trump who promised to "replace Obamacare with something wonderful that will take care of everybody and the government will pay for it". Trump chose to not get bogged down in the how, no different than Obama, because he, like Obama before him, knows nothing about health insurance.

I think Obama made it clear during his final weeks, that if someone comes up with something that provides as much protection at a lower premium he will be the first to champion it.

All the political dancing thus far has done nothing to get to the root cause of health insurance premiums; an unhealthy population and the costs of medical care.

Trump has spoken of taking on Big Pharma. Best place to start is by the Trump Admin lobbying Congress to allow Medicare to negotiate and cap prescription medications cost as is done in the rest of the developed and developing world.
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Old 01-21-2017, 12:40 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Well people did warn Obama/democrats that the prior administration's use of "selective enforcement" would come back to bite them on the behind, and now it apparently has done so.

When Obama started going down the path of not enforcing "DOMA" because he didn't believe it was legally sound, it set a precedent. One that *all* future POTUS will now likely avail themselves of if it suits them in future.
LOL. No one has ever enforced all laws, so the whole campaign promise to enforce all laws was pure ignorance.

Either way, it didn't take him long to break a promise.
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Old 01-21-2017, 12:41 PM
 
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On a far more important economic scale, what happens if great numbers of people take DT's words to mean they don't need to get insurance and or drop coverage because the only reason why they took up the thing was because of the mandate? That is going to poke a not so small hole in insurers pockets and likely cause no end of problems as funds are going to be needed to plug that fiscal gap.
This was going to happen sooner or later. What is happening was predicted from the beginning. I support UHC and I want Obamacare to collapse. It was nothing more than a huge subsidy to the insurance and pharmaceutical companies.

I'm good if it bankrupts the insurance companies and I hope Trump follows through with his promises to reign in the pharmaceutical industry.
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