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Old 01-23-2017, 12:50 PM
 
Location: New Albany, Indiana (Greater Louisville)
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Democrats would have a super majority if they hadn't stopped caring about blue collar people. Our current trade policy is a declaration of war against all working class Americans, including Blacks, Hispanics, and recent immigrants. My Liberal professors in college said it was bad that factories moved to places with no environmental regulations and very low wages. Democrats have since put their head so far up their rear end they can't see straight.


If you care about...
- workers rights
- living wage
- the environment


... you will fight the tide of jobs moving to low wage countries. If you instead say "who needs a factory job anyway?" you are a puppet of the globalist elite who are destroying working class people and the environment.
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Old 01-23-2017, 01:10 PM
 
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His moronic tirades on trade denote a real ignorance on the state of the global economy.

Trump trade war woul kill 5 million U.S. jobs. Washington state fears biggest hit | McClatchy DC
But create 10 mil new ones. See how the math works?
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Old 01-23-2017, 01:47 PM
 
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I am scared about what our economy will look like in 2020. Obama did an astounding job bringing us out of the Great Recession and I fear that Trump lead our country into another similar or even worse recession.
Trump is facing an uphill battle. Automation and technology are increasing productivity but reducing the number of workers needed, and thus the amount of money available to be spent by worker types.

Republicans have been clear that they intend to balance the budget and reduce the national debt. If they do this, and who knows if they will, this will likely slow down growth.

The "trickle-down" economic theory that Republicans love, didn't work in the past and is unlikely to work this time around. Regardless of tax breaks, companies generally don't invest until there is some reason to believe that there is a demand for their products. When there is demand, they don't need tax breaks to figure out how to make money off of the demand.
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Old 01-23-2017, 02:05 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Trump is not against trade. He is a globalist himself as is most of his choices for his cabinet. He is just convinced that he can (re)negotiate better trade deals than we currently have.
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Old 01-23-2017, 02:12 PM
 
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Yawns I certainly hope your not suggesting that Donald Trump's checkered business record, filled with scams and sordid dealings, is indicative of leveraging success?
You have no idea what his business record is because you don't like him. This is why you'll never be able to gain any perspective outside your own closed minded biass.

Do you have any other catchphrase other than "yawns"?
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Old 01-23-2017, 02:15 PM
 
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Trump is facing an uphill battle. Automation and technology are increasing productivity but reducing the number of workers needed, and thus the amount of money available to be spent by worker types.

Republicans have been clear that they intend to balance the budget and reduce the national debt. If they do this, and who knows if they will, this will likely slow down growth.

The "trickle-down" economic theory that Republicans love, didn't work in the past and is unlikely to work this time around. Regardless of tax breaks, companies generally don't invest until there is some reason to believe that there is a demand for their products. When there is demand, they don't need tax breaks to figure out how to make money off of the demand.
If automation was really reducing workers needed, they wouldn't be moving to Mexico in order to save on labor cost.
Look to Germany for an economic model that puts their workers first.
Writing off factory work in the US due to automation is just lazy.
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Old 01-23-2017, 02:16 PM
 
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Democrats would have a super majority if they hadn't stopped caring about blue collar people. Our current trade policy is a declaration of war against all working class Americans, including Blacks, Hispanics, and recent immigrants. My Liberal professors in college said it was bad that factories moved to places with no environmental regulations and very low wages. Democrats have since put their head so far up their rear end they can't see straight.


If you care about...
- workers rights
- living wage
- the environment


... you will fight the tide of jobs moving to low wage countries. If you instead say "who needs a factory job anyway?" you are a puppet of the globalist elite who are destroying working class people and the environment.
Yeah isn't it amazing the lefties are all about the environment but they don't mind jobs going to countries where they don't even care about the environment. They're such hypocrites as always.

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If automation was really reducing workers needed, they wouldn't be moving to Mexico in order to save on labor cost.
Look to Germany for an economic model that puts their workers first.
Writing off factory work in the US due to automation is just lazy.
Yes I've said that on here 100 times if other countries such as Germany are doing fine with their manufacturing it means the US is clearly dropping the ball somewhere. The US is allowing American workers to get screwed, plain and simple and Obama let it continue for 8 years because he didn't know enough about world economics to try and fix it.
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Old 01-23-2017, 02:17 PM
 
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No. They won't. Plus, Trump seems to have this obsession with China - fair enough but he's about 15 years too late. Low-valued manufacturing already is moving from China into places like Bangladesh. But hey - it makes for a good headline.

China managed it's economy - strong central government paired with capitalism. It's worked very well for them.
China didn't necessarily manage their economy, they simply leveraged their massive market size to get a good trade deal. That and currency manipulation.
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Old 01-23-2017, 02:17 PM
 
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Democrats would have a super majority if they hadn't stopped caring about blue collar people. Our current trade policy is a declaration of war against all working class Americans, including Blacks, Hispanics, and recent immigrants. My Liberal professors in college said it was bad that factories moved to places with no environmental regulations and very low wages. Democrats have since put their head so far up their rear end they can't see straight.


If you care about...
- workers rights
- living wage
- the environment


... you will fight the tide of jobs moving to low wage countries. If you instead say "who needs a factory job anyway?" you are a puppet of the globalist elite who are destroying working class people and the environment.
Nah. Democrats recognized the US and global economy for what it is. We are not going back to a manufacturing economy. Our two biggest sectors will be Service and information. The skilled and educated are going to the information economy, while the unskilled and uneducated are going in to the service economy. The Democrats ran on getting living wages for the service economy, because that is actually possible. Gone are the days when your grandfather could get the equivalent of $30 an hour for putting antennas on Buicks.
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Old 01-23-2017, 02:22 PM
 
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Nah. Democrats recognized the US and global economy for what it is. We are not going back to a manufacturing economy. Our two biggest sectors will be Service and information. The skilled and educated are going to the information economy, while the unskilled and uneducated are going in to the service economy. The Democrats ran on getting living wages for the service economy, because that is actually possible. Gone are the days when your grandfather could get the equivalent of $30 an hour for putting antennas on Buicks.
I actually agree with the Democrats on that however the problem is all of the top 1 percenters are against it no matter what since all super wealthy people stick together. Money trumps politics in all cases and this is where the Democrats will always fail because no matter what sounds good on paper they will never vote something in that hurts the super wealthy, which is quite often the exact people making the laws. We've seen all the excuses a million times through fear mongering, the shareholders this the shareholders that, cost of a Big Mac will go up 200 percent (lies), etc.
imo all service workers should be unionized
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