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Conservative voters wasted their votes on people who promised they would vote to repeal ACA. I would have thought the first order of business would be to have that vote because there are so many who made that promise. Turns out the ACA or Obamacare is a modern day "tar baby."
You are joking, yes? You think a healthcare system that discriminates who can be insured is great? That it is OK to kick someone off insurance who gets sick and is racking up healthcare bills? You think it is great that low income people were denied insurance?
ACA is not perfect and should be fixed. But the only way to really fix it is to go to a single payer system which the Dems could not get passed and I doubt the Pubs will even try to implement.
Nearly 50 countries have Universal Healthcare meaning everyone has access to healthcare, regardless of their ability to pay for it.
No two countries do Universal Healthcare the same. Some are Single Payer. Some are entirely Private Payer. Most at a mix. Some require employers to cover a percentage of the premium and some do not.
Germany has the oldest Universal Healthcare System, going back to 1889. It is modified annually and periodically reformed.
There is no such thing as a perfect healthcare system, anywhere.
One is not likely going to find non medical hospital management making 7 figures, private rooms/baths, premium cable, WIFI, room service, Valet Parking, Starbucks and all the other trappings that are increasingly common in private US healthcare systems anywhere other than the US. You are not going to find hospitals having to eat the cost of uninsured patients.
All of this swell stuff goes into overhead and becomes a part of the bill everyone pays.
You are not going to find 75% of adult population being overweight/obese and substantially more vulnerable to a variety of otherwise preventable diseases.
You are not going to find Big Pharma or hospitals doing advertising, the cost of which is reflected in the price of service/medication.
There has been a lack of political will in the US to do much of anything about getting to the root causes of the cost of healthcare in the US.
Again, the ACA is legislation is about who has access to healthcare and how to pay for it. It's not insurance or healthcare.
You have been misinformed. Let's go over this again.
In the beginning, Republicans had all sorts of input. Democrats bent over backwards in a naive effort to make it a bipartisan effort. All for naught, as in the end not a single Republican voted for the final bill.
The oft-quoted Pelosi statement was in reference to the Senate version of the bill. There was all sorts of speculation on what it might or might not contain and how the House would then deal with this that or the other.
Pelosi stated that the House would have to wait until the Senate passed their version of the bill for them to know what would be in it and thus go forward with the reconciliation process to the final bill.
This has been explained on this forum hundreds of times.
Sometimes this forum feels like being in a memory care facility where the residents keep asking over and over where the bathroom is.
oh they remember they are just hoping you do not....
They repeat the same lies, the same half truths, the same shameless stories year after year.
And it works, some readers will see it a few dozen times on a few different sites and start to believe their must be truth to it if they keep saying it.
So we have to keep refuting it and pointing out what they are doing.
You have got to be kidding. At least many now have insurance as they didn't before it. Insurance prices were going up every year way before any one ever heard of Obama.
100% was the average increase in premiums between 2000-2010.
And that was when insurers could discriminate by health condition, cap annual/lifetime benefits and not cap out of pocket expenses.
Conservative voters wasted their votes on people who promised they would vote to repeal ACA. I would have thought the first order of business would be to have that vote because there are so many who made that promise. Turns out the ACA or Obamacare is a modern day "tar baby."
Republicans talk a lot.
I'll just leave that there.
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Originally Posted by middle-aged mom
Nearly 50 countries have Universal Healthcare meaning everyone has access to healthcare, regardless of their ability to pay for it.
No two countries do Universal Healthcare the same. Some are Single Payer. Some are entirely Private Payer. Most at a mix. Some require employers to cover a percentage of the premium and some do not.
Germany has the oldest Universal Healthcare System, going back to 1889. It is modified annually and periodically reformed.
There is no such thing as a perfect healthcare system, anywhere.
One is not likely going to find non medical hospital management making 7 figures, private rooms/baths, premium cable, WIFI, room service, Valet Parking, Starbucks and all the other trappings that are increasingly common in private US healthcare systems anywhere other than the US. You are not going to find hospitals having to eat the cost of uninsured patients.
All of this swell stuff goes into overhead and becomes a part of the bill everyone pays.
You are not going to find 75% of adult population being overweight/obese and substantially more vulnerable to a variety of otherwise preventable diseases.
You are not going to find Big Pharma or hospitals doing advertising, the cost of which is reflected in the price of service/medication.
There has been a lack of political will in the US to do much of anything about getting to the root causes of the cost of healthcare in the US.
Again, the ACA is legislation is about who has access to healthcare and how to pay for it. It's not insurance or healthcare.
oh they remember they are just hoping you do not....
They repeat the same lies, the same half truths, the same shameless stories year after year.
And it works, some readers will see it a few dozen times on a few different sites and start to believe their must be truth to it if they keep saying it.
So we have to keep refuting it and pointing out what they are doing.
I wonder if it would be helpful to have a thread of common misinformation along the accompanying actual facts.
We could number each one and then just refer to #8 or #19, or whatever, instead of posting the whole shebang again.
Honestly, the Pelosi quote has been refuted so many times in so many places that I'm surprised anyone with any sense would bring it up again.
Nearly 50 countries have Universal Healthcare meaning everyone has access to healthcare, regardless of their ability to pay for it.
No two countries do Universal Healthcare the same. Some are Single Payer. Some are entirely Private Payer. Most at a mix. Some require employers to cover a percentage of the premium and some do not.
Germany has the oldest Universal Healthcare System, going back to 1889. It is modified annually and periodically reformed.
There is no such thing as a perfect healthcare system, anywhere.
One is not likely going to find non medical hospital management making 7 figures, private rooms/baths, premium cable, WIFI, room service, Valet Parking, Starbucks and all the other trappings that are increasingly common in private US healthcare systems anywhere other than the US. You are not going to find hospitals having to eat the cost of uninsured patients.
All of this swell stuff goes into overhead and becomes a part of the bill everyone pays.
You are not going to find 75% of adult population being overweight/obese and substantially more vulnerable to a variety of otherwise preventable diseases.
You are not going to find Big Pharma or hospitals doing advertising, the cost of which is reflected in the price of service/medication.
There has been a lack of political will in the US to do much of anything about getting to the root causes of the cost of healthcare in the US.
Again, the ACA is legislation is about who has access to healthcare and how to pay for it. It's not insurance or healthcare.
you could not be more right. You are right on target. Both the left and right have done nothing to rein in pharma. For a start advertising should just be banned. It encourages people to try to prescribe their own meds and leaves the doctors in the awkward position of having to either do as they are asked or risk a lawsuit or just losing the client...
We lose preventative care because people don't want to use the money in their accounts, don't want to be charged more next year for just using the insurance etc. Many people would live longer healthier less costly lives if doctors were able to get to them earlier.
I have lived in a few countries, used a few systems and most offer a mix of public and private coverage that let the consumer decide what level they desire.
The GOP, would be doing the nation a disservice if they pull us backward, instead they should focus on just making ACA better while insisting every single adult have coverage to keep the pool big and to be able to provide reasonable care for everyone and allows people to pick higher levels of care if they so desire...
while the system might need to be pretty complex the idea is not. Everyone dies and most people need costly care at some point in their lives, so why not just get everyone to start paying right away and spread the cost over their whole lives.
And folks remember before Obama care /ACA people routinely lost their homes when they struggled with long term illness, and not just poor people , upper middle class too.
Do you think Ryan is paying attention to the huge crowds showing up at town halls across the country demanding that the GOP not take away their healthcare? I'm guessing he is.
Republicans are in a jam now--they are in a position to do what they claimed they wanted to do for six years now, but they lack both the will and a real "replacement" with which to move forward. It's going to be fun watching them squirm.
They KNOW how to vote to repeal the ACA. They've been doing it about every other month for the past 7 years. They could do it sleepwalking.
you could not be more right. You are right on target. Both the left and right have done nothing to rein in pharma. For a start advertising should just be banned. It encourages people to try to prescribe their own meds and leaves the doctors in the awkward position of having to either do as they are asked or risk a lawsuit or just losing the client...
We lose preventative care because people don't want to use the money in their accounts, don't want to be charged more next year for just using the insurance etc. Many people would live longer healthier less costly lives if doctors were able to get to them earlier.
I have lived in a few countries, used a few systems and most offer a mix of public and private coverage that let the consumer decide what level they desire.
The GOP, would be doing the nation a disservice if they pull us backward, instead they should focus on just making ACA better while insisting every single adult have coverage to keep the pool big and to be able to provide reasonable care for everyone and allows people to pick higher levels of care if they so desire...
while the system might need to be pretty complex the idea is not. Everyone dies and most people need costly care at some point in their lives, so why not just get everyone to start paying right away and spread the cost over their whole lives.
And folks remember before Obama care /ACA people routinely lost their homes when they struggled with long term illness, and not just poor people , upper middle class too.
I couldn't agree more. They are banking on people's fears to get rich. It is out of control.
100% was the average increase in premiums between 2000-2010.
And that was when insurers could discriminate by health condition, cap annual/lifetime benefits and not cap out of pocket expenses.
And when they would drop you if you developed an expensive medical condition.
One of our friends was dropped by her insurance company in the middle of ovarian cancer. They had to get lawyers to get back on the insurance plan that she, and the airline she worked for, had been paying for decades.
Many small businesses, including medical practices, dropped their insurance benefits during this time and just gave employees lump amounts to find their own coverage.
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