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Old 01-24-2017, 10:05 AM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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if Cali, continues down this road, we need to take their state from them.
Come and get it.
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Old 01-24-2017, 10:19 AM
 
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Hahaha what a piping hot pile of dung.

You are correct, it is exactly that. Well , unless you are a corporation.


Corporate sovereignty, more exclusivity for pharma companies, yeah this deal is for the common man.


https://www.democracynow.org/2013/6/...ership_expands


https://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/b...t-us.html?_r=0


https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20...greement.shtml


Bernie Sanders Calls Agreement of TPP ‘Disastrous’ | Observer


https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20...gulation.shtml
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Old 01-24-2017, 10:27 AM
 
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When your @ss walks out of the store having saved money because a product made overseas is cheaper-YOU GET THE SURPLUS!

Donald Trump's merchandise is made overseas because it's cheaper-he's a total hypocrite on this issue.


Likewise, please follow your own advice.


Do you even know what youre talking about?

"Upon entry-into-force, all TPP countries will be required to effectively enforce their environmental laws, including laws that implement Multilateral Environmental Agreements (MEAs) addressing a range of issues, such as endangered species, wetlands, oceans and fisheries, forests and wildlife, and the ozone."
Leveraging TPP to Raise Environmental Standards Across the Globe | The Huffington Post

The United States Trade Representative touts the Trans Pacific Partnership as having “the strongest protections for workers of any trade agreement in history.” On paper at least, the Trade Representative is probably correct about the TPP. The TPP requires that all parties to the agreement adopt and maintain laws recognizing the International Labor Organization’s fundamental labor rights and practices. Additionally, the United States has negotiated bilateral “consistency plans” with TPP Parties Vietnam, Malaysia, and Brunei. The consistency plans place additional legal requirements on the parties before they may export goods duty-free to the United States.
https://onlabor.org/2016/02/29/enfor...c-partnership/

The TPP was comprised of many highly developed nations including most of the English-speaking world: The US, Japan, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Singapore. Also, Mexico, Peru, Chile and Vietnam, Malaysia and Brunei.

Tons of opportunities for California companies.


Hahaha what a piping hot pile of dung.

I mean really, you deserve an award for fearmongering.
Like NAFTA these deals are always portrayed as a win win for everyone. People are jaded and tired being played a fool. There is a powerful disconnect when Obama and republicans in congress were pushing this when a majority of Americans did not want it. If this had passed and got rolling the environmental and labor issues would have become lax over time just like the extremely low wages and horrible working conditions NAFTA companies get away with in Mexico. Why do Mexicans keep coming here for work when they can have a "great" NAFTA job at home?

On top of that your trade numbers with California and Mexico with NAFTA are misleading. 10% of US exports to Mexico come from California. And most California exports to Mexico are high tech and products not actually manufactured in the United States, like IPhones. So the benefit for American workers is minimal

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Old 01-24-2017, 11:04 AM
 
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Globalists for Hillary. No wonder we're better off with Trump. He was the ONLY choice.
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Old 01-24-2017, 11:09 AM
 
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Arizona may need to build a wall and vet those entering from Ca.
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Old 01-24-2017, 11:14 AM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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Come and get it.
Who's going to stop it?
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Old 01-24-2017, 11:18 AM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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Who's going to stop it?
Stop what?
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Old 01-24-2017, 11:21 AM
 
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Come and get it.
Didn't you just state that TPP going away will make California a jobless hell hole? If so, why would anyone want it?

Can't have it both ways.
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Old 01-24-2017, 11:22 AM
 
Location: USA
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This^ is fearmongering. We shouldnt be afraid to compete on tbe global market.
It's not possible for American industry to complete with nations that have no labor, safety, or environmental regulations. We absolutely should be afraid to compete with slave laborers in third world countries.

I don't see you standing in line waiting to work harder and faster than Chinese workers in dangerous factories.

We can have American industry, we can have labor/safety/environmental standards, or we can have free trade with third world nations. We can't have all three. Economically, it's impossible.


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And really, who doesnt want to bring in imported items that are cheaper for consumers here? That increases buying power and quality of life.
I don't want to bring in cheap imported items that are made by slave laborers in dangerous factories in countries that don't protect their environment. The benefit of cheaper goods is more than offset by the loss of good paying jobs:


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pKv6RcXa2UI

By importing goods from third world countries, we effectively import third world policies, which certainly does NOT increase the quality of life for average Americans.

How can anyone claim to be progressive when they support trade policies that reward nations that do not protect their workers or environment, and punish nations that do?

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Old 01-24-2017, 11:24 AM
 
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This is a prime example of California having outgrown the United States. Our divergent interests make it impossible to avoid clashes.
Wow, now look who is support states rights now that it suits them.

P.S. Stop whining about "fear mongering" we've seen the dozen or more threads you create every couple of days and you're on the "alex jones" level of fear mongering yourself.
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