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Old 01-26-2017, 11:14 AM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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This is my theory. Chicago is singled out because of its association with President Obama. Chicago is a buzzword.
It is singled out because of how many fricken people get shot and killed there every year...in a place with some of the most strict gun control laws in the nation. Doesn't have a thing to do with Obama.
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Old 01-26-2017, 11:21 AM
 
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I think it's just the level of killings. Yeah, Baltimore, St. Louis, etc. might have higher murder rates but the sheer number of bodies in Chicago grabs the attention. Like battles in war, a small battle might have 70% casualties and not get the attention that a big one with 30% casualties does.

And like many others pointed out, Chicago's long history of corruption and misgovernance creates a kind of chickens-coming-home-to-roost aspect.

So Chicago gets the attention and the President vows to help. I give him credit for recognizing the obvious.
Chicago has corruption issues. So does New Orleans and Memphis. And those cities have a higher per capita rate of carnage than Chicago. If the President is truly concerned about carnage and corruption, why doesn't he go after New Orleans and Memphis, or St. Louis?
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Old 01-26-2017, 11:25 AM
 
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It is singled out because of how many fricken people get shot and killed there every year...in a place with some of the most strict gun control laws in the nation. Doesn't have a thing to do with Obama.
Chicago's murder rate was 27 per 100,000 in 2016. New Orleans is around 40 per 100,000. St. Louis is around 60 per 100,000. Memphis murder rate: 34 per 100,000. Per capita is where it counts.

Chicago was not brought up ad nauseam until Obama came around.
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Old 01-26-2017, 11:49 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Chicago has corruption issues. So does New Orleans and Memphis. And those cities have a higher per capita rate of carnage than Chicago. If the President is truly concerned about carnage and corruption, why doesn't he go after New Orleans and Memphis, or St. Louis?
What makes you think he won't?
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Old 01-26-2017, 12:23 PM
 
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What makes you think he won't?
He called Chicago out specifically.
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Old 01-26-2017, 12:39 PM
 
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Chicago's murder rate was 27 per 100,000 in 2016. New Orleans is around 40 per 100,000. St. Louis is around 60 per 100,000. Memphis murder rate: 34 per 100,000. Per capita is where it counts.

Chicago was not brought up ad nauseam until Obama came around.
Did you not read the rest of my statement? "...with some of the most strict gun control laws in the nation".

That is how that city came to the forefront in regards to shootings.
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Old 01-26-2017, 12:53 PM
 
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Yes, I am. Born there. Lived 30 years of my adult life in and around Chicago and in the near suburbs.

They know the gang members. They just won't do anything about it, just like they won't do anything about the illegals. Typical Dem-governed hell hole city.

Example of how they know who the gang members are:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.19a840619014
You're from the burbs. May as well be from Wisconsin. You don't know. You're not a street guy by any means.
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Old 01-26-2017, 01:01 PM
 
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I must be dreaming. This takes balls, and blacks will love it.
Ah, I was wondering who "the blacks" had appointed as their spokesman!

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There goes another constituency. Now I sit back and listen to all those who will claim it can't be done.
It can't though. Military occupation generally tends to **** off the locals (see: Afghanistan). And what message is being sent to the people that live there when they have to undergo military occupation by their own country??

Sending in the military/FBI/whoever might make your schlongs collectively feel 3 inches longer but it's a short-term bandaid at best.

We need real solutions to the root causes, not this feel good flash-in-the-pan stuff.
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Old 01-26-2017, 01:12 PM
 
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Chicago has corruption issues. So does New Orleans and Memphis. And those cities have a higher per capita rate of carnage than Chicago. If the President is truly concerned about carnage and corruption, why doesn't he go after New Orleans and Memphis, or St. Louis?
To play devil's advocate, it's probably because Chicago is the third largest city and metro area in the nation. It's incredibly important to the country and as a result the spotlight shines on it more than it does Memphis, New Orleans, or St. Louis. And among those things shown under that spotlight is Chicago's hideous crime and gang problem. When you have a first-class city with third-world issues, something's gotta be solved.

That being said, while Chicago is incredibly important, going after only Chicago means this move is clearly just for show.

And as I just said, this is not a solution, just a band-aid. If you want solutions, top down stuff will never work. Just ask the Dems with their public housing and urban renewal initiatives in the 50s, 60s, and 70s, AKA some of the most destructive initiatives our country has ever undertaken. Real solutions come by going in to the community, asking the people (not the criminals) what it is they want and need, and working closely with them to provide it. Think local.
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Old 01-26-2017, 01:48 PM
 
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Yes, I am. Born there. Lived 30 years of my adult life in and around Chicago and in the near suburbs.

They know the gang members. They just won't do anything about it, just like they won't do anything about the illegals. Typical Dem-governed hell hole city.

Example of how they know who the gang members are:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.19a840619014
Based on that report that was put out, yes they know the gang members...and they actually do stuff about them. the problem is the CPD was actually instigating some of the gang violence.


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Finally, during our investigation, we heard allegations that CPD officers attempt to gain information about crime using methods that undermine CPD legitimacy and may also be unlawful. In some instances, we were told, CPD will attempt to glean information about gang activity or other crime by arresting or detaining individuals, and refusing to release the individual until he provides that information. In other instances, CPD will take a young person to a rival gang neighborhood, and either leave the person there, or display the youth to rival members, immediately putting the life of that young person in jeopardy by suggesting he has provided
information to the police. Our investigation indicates that these practices in fact exist and significantly jeopardize CPD’s relationship with the community.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/file/925846/download
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