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Since when do illegals like to follow the law.. they have ways to get around it. False ID.. I remember when Meg Whitman was fooled thinking she hired a legal immigrant and found out that the documentation was all false.
Does *SOME* voter fraud happen? Absolutely. Is there any evidence to suggest it happens on the scale that Trump is claiming? Not even close.
Eh. I understand what you're saying, but I don't think this matters as much as Trump's main point, which is non-citizens are voting in federal elections, and that is against the law.
It dovetails into three broader theories:
1) It doesn't take millions of votes to affect the outcome of an election, nor does it take a vast conspiracy for those votes to be included in totals. Trump won the Electoral College, but the actual vote totals were in the mere thousands. And given that CA grants illegal immigrants driver's licenses which can then be used to register to vote, it's completely possible that there are people who vote in our elections without being legally able to do so.
2) We've heard weeks of kvetching about Trump acknowledging Russia's role in hacking the DNC, and people speculating that they helped him win and that he's illegitimate because of it. But want to water down any innuendo that Democrats might benefit from illegal votes and that they're generally unconcerned about it.
3) For all the talk that Trump is xenophobic and racist because he wants to crack down on illegal immigration, this kind of thing is a healthy reminder that Democrats in general don't want to show any teeth on the issue because they don't want to risk losing votes.
Since when do illegals like to follow the law.. they have ways to get around it. False ID.. I remember when Meg Whitman was fooled thinking she hired a legal immigrant and found out that the documentation was all false.
If the Clinton's got 3 to 5 million illegals to vote ~ why didn't they ship some down to OH, PA and Michigan?
Someone in charge of the illegal voting machine was derelict in their duties.
Eh. I understand what you're saying, but I don't think this matters as much as Trump's main point, which is non-citizens are voting in federal elections, and that is against the law.
It dovetails into three broader theories:
1) It doesn't take millions of votes to affect the outcome of an election, nor does it take a vast conspiracy for those votes to be included in totals. Trump won the Electoral College, but the actual vote totals were in the mere thousands. And given that CA grants illegal immigrants driver's licenses which can then be used to register to vote, it's completely possible that there are people who vote in our elections without being legally able to do so.
2) We've heard weeks of kvetching about Trump acknowledging Russia's role in hacking the DNC, and people speculating that they helped him win and that he's illegitimate because of it. But want to water down any innuendo that Democrats might benefit from illegal votes and that they're generally unconcerned about it.
3) For all the talk that Trump is xenophobic and racist because he wants to crack down on illegal immigration, this kind of thing is a healthy reminder that Democrats in general don't want to show any teeth on the issue because they don't want to risk losing votes.
Someone please explain to me how non-citizens register to vote? I had to show proof of citizenship to register. Don't others have to do this?
Eh. I understand what you're saying, but I don't think this matters as much as Trump's main point, which is non-citizens are voting in federal elections, and that is against the law.
Of course it's against the law. Illegal things happen all day every day. THE point is: What is the return on investment for preventing any illegal activity?
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It dovetails into three broader theories:
1) It doesn't take millions of votes to affect the outcome of an election, nor does it take a vast conspiracy for those votes to be included in totals. Trump won the Electoral College, but the actual vote totals were in the mere thousands. And given that CA grants illegal immigrants driver's licenses which can then be used to register to vote, it's completely possible that there are people who vote in our elections without being legally able to do so.
It would take millions of votes to change the outcome of a Presidential election, yes. Other elections, not so much.
There are no valid studies to even suggest 10s of thousands of illegal votes, let alone hundreds of thousands or millions...
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2) We've heard weeks of kvetching about Trump acknowledging Russia's role in hacking the DNC, and people speculating that they helped him win and that he's illegitimate because of it. But want to water down any innuendo that Democrats might benefit from illegal votes and that they're generally unconcerned about it.
One has absolutely nothing to do with the other. PLUS there is evidence of the Russian interference, as well as a HUGE consensus among our intelligence agencies.
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3) For all the talk that Trump is xenophobic and racist because he wants to crack down on illegal immigration, this kind of thing is a healthy reminder that Democrats in general don't want to show any teeth on the issue because they don't want to risk losing votes.
How much is it going to cost and what is a realistic # of illegal votes that it will prevent?
If the Clinton's got 3 to 5 million illegals to vote ~ why didn't they ship some down to OH, PA and Michigan?
Clever..good point!
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Someone please explain to me how non-citizens register to vote? I had to show proof of citizenship to register. Don't others have to do this?
Once I had a difficult time voting when I moved across the street!
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